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6 minutes ago, O said:

You don't have to cheat on your wife in order to win at sport.

LeBron is the opposite of Jordan, and still mega successful.

Michael Jordan might actually be a sociopath. 

The pedestal we put actors, musicians, sports stars on is one of the main problems with society.

 

The last bit I agree with. How talent can compensate for being a degenerate druggie (Winehouse, Houston et al) is way beyond me... It is what it is, though. 
 

The all-time top 10/20 in most sports is going to include at least 60% cunts. 

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9 minutes ago, O said:

You don't have to cheat on your wife in order to win at sport.

LeBron is the opposite of Jordan, and still mega successful.

Michael Jordan might actually be a sociopath. 

The pedestal we put actors, musicians, sports stars on is one of the main problems with society.

 

Jordan is 100x more skilled than Lebron.

Woods, Kobe, Lance Armstrong, Ronaldo - They were all a bit psychotically driven.

Lebron owes everything to the roids he was fed as a child. 

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8 minutes ago, TFIA said:

Jordan is 100x more skilled than Lebron.

Woods, Kobe, Lance Armstrong, Ronaldo - They were all a bit psychotically driven.

Lebron owes everything to the roids he was fed as a child. 

LeBron doesn't have the same drive, no.

But he's every bit as talented. Both LeBron and Kobe were teenage prodigies, unlike Jordan who really had to work at it. Was never expected to have the career that he did.

The Last Stand was given the green light the same week that LeBron's Cavs beat Golden State 4-3 in the series. Why? Because Jordan has been worried about LeBron coming for his legacy. That is how petty Jordan is. He is all about ego.

LeBron can't really come near it now, unless The Lakers do a 3peat.

And btw, Jack Nicklaus is a great guy. Woods paid the price for his ways. 10 years of injuries and ridicule. He would have maybe beaten his record had he not been caught out by his wife.

 

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5 minutes ago, O said:

LeBron doesn't have the same drive, no.

But he's every bit as talented. Both LeBron and Kobe were teenage prodigies, unlike Jordan who really had to work at it. Was never expected to have the career that he did.

The Last Stand was given the green light the same week that LeBron's Cavs beat Golden State 4-3 in the series. Why? Because Jordan has been worried about LeBron coming for his legacy. That is how petty Jordan is. He is all about ego.

LeBron can't really come near it now, unless The Lakers do a 3peat.

And btw, Jack Nicklaus is a great guy. Woods paid the price for his ways. 10 years of injuries and ridicule. He would have maybe beaten his record had he not been caught out by his wife.

LeBron was a prodigy because of his athleticism. In high school he looked like an NFL linebacker - This is what put him over Kobe and Jordan as a prodigy. He was the only one to go #1 overall.

The rules also changed to help him and the other star players, teams can’t get touch them or it’s a foul. Jordan would legitimately get beat up.

There is no real debate. It’s all manufactured on ESPN and other platforms to draw ratings. There’s not a person who genuinely believes Lebron was as good as Jordan.

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27 minutes ago, TFIA said:

LeBron was a prodigy because of his athleticism. In high school he looked like an NFL linebacker - This is what put him over Kobe and Jordan as a prodigy. He was the only one to go #1 overall.

The rules also changed to help him and the other star players, teams can’t get touch them or it’s a foul. Jordan would legitimately get beat up.

There is no real debate. It’s all manufactured on ESPN and other platforms to draw ratings. There’s not a person who genuinely believes Lebron was as good as Jordan.

Jordan got special treatment in the 90's. The face of the league. The NBA's ticket to global success. He didn't like being roughhoused in the 80's and 90's.

Why is athleticism a criticism? It's a sport built on it. High stamina, the ability to dunk, block high, etc. It's end to end, so you need it.

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2 hours ago, O said:

Jordan got special treatment in the 90's. The face of the league. The NBA's ticket to global success. He didn't like being roughhoused in the 80's and 90's.

Why is athleticism a criticism? It's a sport built on it. High stamina, the ability to dunk, block high, etc. It's end to end, so you need it.

The Pistons beat the shit out of him in ways that could never happen today. The NBA has become ridiculously soft, with refs calling fouls on whoever they’ve bet against.

It’s not really a criticism, but it’s pretty obvious Lebron was on the stuff earlier than most. You can literally see when Jordan started in the documentary. It’s essentially impossible to bulk up doing that much cardio with assistance.

 

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25 minutes ago, TFIA said:

The Pistons beat the shit out of him in ways that could never happen today. The NBA has become ridiculously soft, with refs calling fouls on whoever they’ve bet against.

It’s not really a criticism, but it’s pretty obvious Lebron was on the stuff earlier than most. You can literally see when Jordan started in the documentary. It’s essentially impossible to bulk up doing that much cardio with assistance.

 

It's the same in pretty much every sport. They're less barbaric now. All about protecting the assets.

As Magic said when he was trash talking to Jordan in '92. This is the 90's now. He gets all the calls. They protected him more and more after 1991. Jordan couldn't win a Championship until the great 80's teams and players declined.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, O said:

It's the same in pretty much every sport. They're less barbaric now. All about protecting the assets.

As Magic said when he was trash talking to Jordan in '92. This is the 90's now. He gets all the calls. They protected him more and more after 1991. Jordan couldn't win a Championship until the great 80's teams and players declined.

They are. To the detriment of them all. Concussions = Ratings. 

Even in the 90's it was a different sport to now. I love Kobe but he was getting calls when there wasn't even contact. It gets worse with every era.

NFL of the mid 2000's was probably the peak of any sport. It was fucking insane what went on.

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25 minutes ago, TFIA said:

Dennis Rodman actually seems like a pretty nice a guy. 

Was ahead of his time.

Dying his hair, wearing controversial clothes, cross dressing, etc. What's normal in Hip hop now.

Very unique player. Pretty much unstoppable on the defensive side, absolute trash at scoring points. Guarding and Rebound elite stats.

If you actually look at the players MJ played with from 1990 to 1996, it was basically the 90's Golden State Warriors. They had 3-4 stats, then some solid bench players. He didn't do it alone.

 

Steve Kerr is the new Phil Jackson. No better than a 7/10 player. Won multiple rings as a player, and now multiple rings as a manager.

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The Allen Iverson doc is a good watch too if you are enjoying The Last Stand.

Incredible that a guy who was roughly 5ft 10" without sneakers on could be so good at Basketball at lesser franchises.

Even Jordan likes him.

My favourite basketball player. Probably because I can only shoot 3's and assist others. It's why I respect Curry.

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4 minutes ago, O said:

The Allen Iverson doc is a good watch too if you are enjoying The Last Stand.

Incredible that a guy who was roughly 5ft 10" without sneakers on could be so good at Basketball at lesser franchises.

Even Jordan likes him.

My favourite basketball player. Probably because I can only shoot 3's and assist others. It's why I respect Curry.

“Edgy” people usually state he’s their favourite player. 
 

I never saw much of him playing but I liked how, for the most part he seemed to steer clear of the trappings of his position - jewellery aside... 

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On 06/05/2020 at 17:15, O said:

You don't have to cheat on your wife in order to win at sport.

LeBron is the opposite of Jordan, and still mega successful.

Michael Jordan might actually be a sociopath.

The pedestal we put actors, musicians, sports stars on is one of the main problems with society.

 

he is lol, look how he created things in his head to get one over opponents, punching up teammates etc. Love it though, he's just a born winner. 

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The last few episodes weren't as good. The Last Dance.

It is very much a tribute to Jordan's career, not just that final season.

Not quite OJ: Made in America levels of good. But still elite.

Kerr trolling Jordan was great. 😂

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