Transfer Priorities 2023

[O 20,759]

42 minutes ago, Deez Nutz said:

Couldn't disagree more, you speak as though We're a few seasons from winning the title! Kane's influence world probably push others on.

With Kane in our team this season, we'd probably be 9-12 points better off. Apart from Harland, he's the safest bet on the planet.

La Liga though. What a league.

[John Locke 1,215]

15 hours ago, hdcantona said:

Ignore all the lines etc this is what I saw on twitter, someone suggesting Ten Hag wants this team to be built more in the above style ^^ (rather than the 'other' team he built with Tadic as false 9 etc)



New ST could be Kane, Goncalo Ramos, or maybe Osimhen - failing that we've looked at a lot of '2nd tier' guys with potential to be superb like Ferguson, Hojlund etc, Rashford can play there if the main guy gets hurt, presume no club dull enough to pay/cover wages of martial 

Between Rashford, Antony, Garnacho, the returning Amad Diallo, likely Sancho (barring an offer) - I doubt we'll add a winger, though Mount could be used there in a pinch

Mount and Bruno as the two 8s, talk Rabiot could be had on a free to be one of the midfield options as well, this would leave us with Rabiot, Fred (Presume mctominay goes) and Eriksen as a sub midfield trio
 

Backline is interesting, I think Lindelof stays as backup, maguire goes, and we'll add either a CB or RB or maybe even both (Kim min jae rumoured and has a clause for 50m euros), Timber could cover RB if Varane is fit but I don't think ETH rates him as a passer and rightly so but we've been linked with Frimpong amongst others, I think Dalot will stay as he can cover both sides and is better on the ball than AWB (who could be sold for a decent fee which would help with FFP) 

DDG will probably be kept on somewhat reduced terms, I pray we also add Raya/Costa to supplant him and/or give Kovar a chance to fight with him for real, because I'm sick of the sight of ddg, henderson will be sold

Potential 'somewhat plausible' window

one of Kane/Ramos (75m), Mount (60m), Rabiot (free), one of Kim-min Jae/Timber (40m), Raya (35m)

210m sounds like a lot and it is, but we spent similar last year even without new owners, and FFP wise it could easily be covered if we get 25m+ for henderson, 25+ for maguire, 20+ for mctominay, and say 25m from all other sales/loans/wage savings (remember that would be about 100 odd million net but a big saving on the ffp way of doing the books which I won't bore you with) 

Do you really think mount would be worth spending 60 million on? 

[1Day 149]

On 24/05/2023 at 12:32, hdcantona said:

we're miles off the title imo, unless those 3 were world class in which case maybe (GK, CM, ST) but even then we're not there yet for me

 

I've never 'rated' him as highly as others, i don't like him as the highest midfielder or sometimes shunted out wide, I could see him working nicely in the eriksen role though, really good technically and we need technicians

Challenging for title,this season United have been challenging for CL,going for the title year after maybe.

[hdcantona 9,140]

8 minutes ago, John Locke said:

Do you really think mount would be worth spending 60 million on? 

No, I’m just going off semi plausible numbers I’ve seen and rumours, it’s not what I’d do, plus English tax, but I wouldn’t hate it as long as he’s not being earmarked for the Bruno role, as I said he’d be down my list significantly though 

[Jay007 3,457]

I think Mount's a better player than his critics say he is, I think it's just become fashionable to criticise him. Saying that, I wouldn't look to sign him - I think he's a good player, but he just seems to me to be one of those players who is a decent all-rounder without being particularly great at anything.

I would also avoid Kane - a world class striker no doubt and he might make a good partnership with Rashford as he has with Son (albeit he and Bruno might get in each other's way), but a highly expensive, short-term signing.

[hdcantona 9,140]

This was done before we were linked with him by the way - I think the point about him being a floor raising player rather than a ceiling raising one is something many fans have used as a criticism (I have myself in the past in effect wondered 'what does he bring' / 'how does he improve' this chelsea team - before this season when they've all been shite) but it goes back to my thoughts when the links came out that actually that would be a tremendous addition to our midfield options especially if he's one of 2 in front of casemiro (which I would suspect he is in most games) 

We have garbage technicality as a squad overall, he greatly raises that floor, one of the biggest problems when we play eriksen next to casemiro is how ineffective he is off the ball / out of possession - this would go from a weakness to a strength with mount

Tactically adept, has won things before - if his name wasn't Mason Mount and he wasn't English I think people would on the whole be more positive about this potential signing than I feel people are based on what I've seen on twitter etc?

[TFIA 15,140]

Good player. Can see why Ten Hag would like him.

Makes absolutely no sense if we’re still playing Bruno in every game. 

[O 20,759]

18 hours ago, hdcantona said:

This was done before we were linked with him by the way - I think the point about him being a floor raising player rather than a ceiling raising one is something many fans have used as a criticism (I have myself in the past in effect wondered 'what does he bring' / 'how does he improve' this chelsea team - before this season when they've all been shite) but it goes back to my thoughts when the links came out that actually that would be a tremendous addition to our midfield options especially if he's one of 2 in front of casemiro (which I would suspect he is in most games) 

We have garbage technicality as a squad overall, he greatly raises that floor, one of the biggest problems when we play eriksen next to casemiro is how ineffective he is off the ball / out of possession - this would go from a weakness to a strength with mount

Tactically adept, has won things before - if his name wasn't Mason Mount and he wasn't English I think people would on the whole be more positive about this potential signing than I feel people are based on what I've seen on twitter etc?

I don't think being English is a problem. There are several English midfielders who are good enough to play for a top 4 team. 

I actually think Jacob Ramsay would be a really good addition to Liverpool. He's ideal for a 4-3-3. High energy and has goals + assist in him. Joe Willock is the same. Perfect for pressing teams.

If United played a 4-3-3, I think either of those two would be good. Newcastle wouldn't let Willock leave though.

[hdcantona 9,140]

Being linked with Lautaro Martinez (we often are) - would actually be a really shrewd move if he's like 60-70m rather than 80/90+m on my boy Ramos if Osimhen is off the table (presume Kane is too pricey etc) 

[O 20,759]

9 hours ago, hdcantona said:

Being linked with Lautaro Martinez (we often are) - would actually be a really shrewd move if he's like 60-70m rather than 80/90+m on my boy Ramos if Osimhen is off the table (presume Kane is too pricey etc) 

I like Lautaro, but he won't help settle down the chaotic nature of United.

His movement off the ball is brilliant. Bruno would benefit from it. But he can miss some sitters when he's not on it. He had a horrific World Cup. Very good in 2023 though. This has been his best goalscoring season to date.

Signing players from Serie A is probably even more risky than The Bundesliga. He's lived in Milan for 5 years now. Manchester could be a huge culture shock.

[hdcantona 9,140]

21 minutes ago, O said:

I like Lautaro, but he won't help settle down the chaotic nature of United.

His movement off the ball is brilliant. Bruno would benefit from it. But he can miss some sitters when he's not on it. He had a horrific World Cup. Very good in 2023 though. This has been his best goalscoring season to date.

Signing players from Serie A is probably even more risky than The Bundesliga. He's lived in Milan for 5 years now. Manchester could be a huge culture shock.

True but assuming Kane is off the table he’s probably a safer bet than ramos who I’m a big fan of but would cost 20m euros more (at least) and hojlund is also less proven, but could be interesting, out of the semi feasible names who would you go for ? Martinez might end up being the best combo of availability and track record even if he’s still somewhat risky due to the reasons you’ve mentioned above 

Osimhen would be the dream but I think he’ll be too expensive 

[O 20,759]

1 minute ago, hdcantona said:

True but assuming Kane is off the table he’s probably a safer bet than ramos who I’m a big fan of but would cost 20m euros more (at least) and hojlund is also less proven, but could be interesting, out of the semi feasible names who would you go for ? Martinez might end up being the best combo of availability and track record even if he’s still somewhat risky due to the reasons you’ve mentioned above 

I'd sign Haller if possible. ten Hag has worked with him at Utrecht and Ajax. His profile is exactly what ten Hag likes.

Openda, RC Lens, would be much cheaper. Balogun too. Although Arsenal would prefer to sell him to a foreign club.

I'd take a punt on Patson Daks as well. There's a vey good striker in there. Rodgers didn't give him enough starts.

[TFIA 15,140]

Benzema may be going to Saudi Arabia according to some reports.

If so then Kane’s going to Madrid.

[O 20,759]

1 hour ago, TFIA said:

Benzema may be going to Saudi Arabia according to some reports.

If so then Kane’s going to Madrid.

Hopefully.

[hdcantona 9,140]

Fred linked with a 30 million move to fulham! and we 'may keep' mctominay because he's the youngest senior midfielder we have -_-

[Gary 213]

3 hours ago, hdcantona said:

Fred linked with a 30 million move to fulham! and we 'may keep' mctominay because he's the youngest senior midfielder we have -_-

That's a real worry

On 27/05/2023 at 07:29, Jay007 said:

I think Mount's a better player than his critics say he is, I think it's just become fashionable to criticise him. Saying that, I wouldn't look to sign him - I think he's a good player, but he just seems to me to be one of those players who is a decent all-rounder without being particularly great at anything.

I would also avoid Kane - a world class striker no doubt and he might make a good partnership with Rashford as he has with Son (albeit he and Bruno might get in each other's way), but a highly expensive, short-term signing.

Kane has at least 3 good seasons left as top class striker, maybe more.( Benzema comes to mind )Rashford couldn't make a good partnership with anyone. Totally 1 dimensional and lacks the technical ability that's required to be even considered for that role in any team. Don't care of the cost, the number of goals HK could notch up in a Utd shirt would be tremendous.  His class always shines thru!

[hdcantona 9,140]

striker needed

[hdcantona 9,140]

this will relegate eriksen to the bench, a move that I think will work out really well

*clip this in 6 months when he’s forgotten how to take a set piece and generally sucks arse all of a sudden*

[PVAD 4,635]

To think what is out there and Ten Hag opts for him. Seriously the thought process baffles me.

So basically relying a 31 soon to be 32 year old who is susceptible to stupid challenges playing just behind 2 No.8's and when he gets suspended, which he will, he'll throw in Fred or McTominay and we're back in the room....

This has got Neil Webb written all over it.

I defy anyone to say they seriously had Mount at the top of any list when they had a list of midfielders...and if you say you always wanted him you're lying.

Bollocks signing imo.

[1Day 149]

He is good off the ball and technical with it,it’s about ball retention 

[Fordie 850]

I think mount would be a good signing. If we get a decent CB we could easily throw Martínez in at DM to cover if needed.

A striker should be the main priority tho.

[CB78 395]

clickbate for Declan Rice maybe?  

Doesn't appear to make sense but depends what other incomings & outgoings we see over the course of the summer? (maybe we'll see some surprises?) 

Mounts a good player just doesn't seem priority position?  Still trust Ten hagg at this point though, his signings been good in the main- lets see where we're at end of transfer window 

 

[hdcantona 9,140]

9 hours ago, PVAD said:

To think what is out there and Ten Hag opts for him. Seriously the thought process baffles me.

So basically relying a 31 soon to be 32 year old who is susceptible to stupid challenges playing just behind 2 No.8's and when he gets suspended, which he will, he'll throw in Fred or McTominay and we're back in the room....

This has got Neil Webb written all over it.

I defy anyone to say they seriously had Mount at the top of any list when they had a list of midfielders...and if you say you always wanted him you're lying.

Bollocks signing imo.

We need an eriksen replacement and a player who can cover for Casemiro, signing one doesn’t stop the other, if we add a caicedo or lavia to this, or if we are still skint then rabiot, it would make sense 

^^ I don’t want to jinx it but we are doing good transfer windowing! 

[O 20,759]

12 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

We need an eriksen replacement and a player who can cover for Casemiro, signing one doesn’t stop the other, if we add a caicedo or lavia to this, or if we are still skint then rabiot, it would make sense 

^^ I don’t want to jinx it but we are doing good transfer windowing! 

Kolo Muani has really good numbers. But I think he could stink up The PL. He thrives on the way Bundesliga teams defend.

You can see why teams would want him though. A ST who can play across the front line, and who combines goals with assists i.e. a double threat.

There's a lot of potential there if you're willing to take the risk. They signed him for free last summer, so will make a huge profit.

Bruno, Rashford and Kolo Muani would indicate a counter attacking style though.

[hdcantona 9,140]

1 hour ago, O said:

Kolo Muani has really good numbers. But I think he could stink up The PL. He thrives on the way Bundesliga teams defend.

You can see why teams would want him though. A ST who can play across the front line, and who combines goals with assists i.e. a double threat.

There's a lot of potential there if you're willing to take the risk. They signed him for free last summer, so will make a huge profit.

Bruno, Rashford and Kolo Muani would indicate a counter attacking style though.

I do like the idea of two strikers, so we aren’t utterly fucked if a shiny new one gets hurt, just hope the glazers have agreed to give up control so whichever new owner comes in so we can do some good business early,

looking like mount, free / cheap cm, hojlund, another 9, and ideally a gk (costa/raya?) would be amazing, replacing any outgoings as and when is needed