Jay007 3,198 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Liverpool start the season with a win in the Community Shield. City looked disjointed, whereas Liverpool looked sharp already. Both now have their '9s'. Haaland didn't get off to a great start with a few missed chances, one a real sitter (albeit that one was at the end when the game was pretty much over), but Nunez looked impressive for Liverpool when he came on and got his goal. City have a bit of work to do to make things click with Haaland now in the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 8,134 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, Jay007 said: Liverpool start the season with a win in the Community Shield. City looked disjointed, whereas Liverpool looked sharp already. Both now have their '9s'. Haaland didn't get off to a great start with a few missed chances, one a real sitter (albeit that one was at the end when the game was pretty much over), but Nunez looked impressive for Liverpool when he came on and got his goal. City have a bit of work to do to make things click with Haaland now in the team. Jay007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alexander 166 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 (edited) Liverpool had more chances, at one point Nunez was through on goal and he absolutely Trashforded the ball against the goalkeeper. Haaland missed a sitter too, the game was less about their performances and more about City's lackluster midfield play. That won't last. So the verdict on this one is that it's just noise. We'll know what's what after a few games. The only thing I could potentially take away from that game is that Alvarez looks a steal. EDIT: Checking myself. Data does not support my perception that Liverpool had many more chances. Edited July 30 by Alexander Quote Link to post Share on other sites
O 19,694 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 City had only played 2 friendlies before. Liverpool had played 4. City are always slow burners. Jay007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarked 10,903 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 JLingz getting relegated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 As shit as we are - I’m glad it’s back! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 Zinchenko doing Zinchenko things already Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 £100m Darwin on the bench Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, JJtheRed said: £100m Darwin on the bench Off the mark already FPL But also; LOL2-1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TFIA 14,600 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 Spurs down early. JWP with a cracker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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TheManc 3,861 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 Henderson once again looked tiny when conceding a goal. Flapped at a few crosses too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1Day 91 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 6 minutes ago, TheManc said: Henderson once again looked tiny when conceding a goal. Flapped at a few crosses too. Hope they buy him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 8,134 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, TheManc said: Henderson once again looked tiny when conceding a goal. Flapped at a few crosses too. He’s about as good as Ddg, who is trash, maybe he’s better overall considering his weaknesses don’t seem to exacerbate those in front as much as Ddg does but yeah not looking like the long term answer at all that said he should still be starting for us Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 38 minutes ago, hdcantona said: He’s about as good as Ddg, who is trash, maybe he’s better overall considering his weaknesses don’t seem to exacerbate those in front as much as Ddg does but yeah not looking like the long term answer at all that said he should still be starting for us Class A’s Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarked 10,903 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 How is Lampard still in a job? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 14 minutes ago, aardvarked said: How is Lampard still in a job? Haven’t they changed manager pretty regularly recently? Maybe it’s a fucked up attempt at stability Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 8,134 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 3 hours ago, JJtheRed said: Class A’s Comparison of them since Henderson debuted in the prem with Sheff Utd https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=1&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=e5a76dfe&p1yrfrom=2019-2020&p1yrto=2021-2022&player_id2=7ba6d84e&p2yrfrom=2019-2020&p2yrto=2021-2022&player_id3=7a2e46a8&player_id4=1840e36d&player_id5=3bb7b8b4&player_id6=466fb2c5 Looking at the individualised stats like Post shot XG per 90 mins Henderson is 0.02 better (a wash basically), but he comes out for far more crosses (stopping 8.1% of them compared with de gea's 4.3%) - Dean is overrated, DDG is even more overrated, neither are amazing (DDG was once but a loooooooong time ago - and I was one of his biggest fans) - stylistically Dean is marginally better with the ball at his feet and the defence is less likely to come a cropper to crosses / balls that could be claimed as DDG is far too often glued to his line In any world even if you think DDG is a notch above Henderson he's not worth 3 times the wages (if not more) and Henderson could still get better and would suit a higher line more than DDG Frankly I'd take a 'decent' gk like Cillessen on the cheap over the pair of them but that's another conversation Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 10 minutes ago, hdcantona said: Comparison of them since Henderson debuted in the prem with Sheff Utd https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=1&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=e5a76dfe&p1yrfrom=2019-2020&p1yrto=2021-2022&player_id2=7ba6d84e&p2yrfrom=2019-2020&p2yrto=2021-2022&player_id3=7a2e46a8&player_id4=1840e36d&player_id5=3bb7b8b4&player_id6=466fb2c5 Looking at the individualised stats like Post shot XG per 90 mins Henderson is 0.02 better (a wash basically), but he comes out for far more crosses (stopping 8.1% of them compared with de gea's 4.3%) - Dean is overrated, DDG is even more overrated, neither are amazing (DDG was once but a loooooooong time ago - and I was one of his biggest fans) - stylistically Dean is marginally better with the ball at his feet and the defence is less likely to come a cropper to crosses / balls that could be claimed as DDG is far too often glued to his line In any world even if you think DDG is a notch above Henderson he's not worth 3 times the wages (if not more) and Henderson could still get better and would suit a higher line more than DDG Frankly I'd take a 'decent' gk like Cillessen on the cheap over the pair of them but that's another conversation You know I don’t do stats… It’s quite obvious Dave is the better ‘keeper of the two. Yeah, he might need phasing out but as I’ve said for the past few years; I’m certain Gossip Girl isn’t the answer. Beaten at his near post from distance then lobbed from 8yards… probably not the day for this debate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 8,134 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 34 minutes ago, JJtheRed said: You know I don’t do stats… It’s quite obvious Dave is the better ‘keeper of the two. Yeah, he might need phasing out but as I’ve said for the past few years; I’m certain Gossip Girl isn’t the answer. Beaten at his near post from distance then lobbed from 8yards… probably not the day for this debate Any one off day either way doesn't matter I'm looking at the big picture - and I wish I could just 'not do' stats but over a season there is little to suggest ddg is consistently much if any better these days, I wouldn't blame Dean for either of the goals today but calling him vulnerable near post when comparing with ddg is laughable I maintain Dean isn't the answer for us either but if the choice was him or DDG it'd be him for me easily, it would be tough if they were on near the same money but they're not... But I digress - agree to disagree, hopefully an improved defence from ETH can coax some improvement out of ddg and con some team in to signing him on a free next year as long as we don't foolishly re-sign him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJtheRed 7,170 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 6 minutes ago, hdcantona said: Any one off day either way doesn't matter I'm looking at the big picture - and I wish I could just 'not do' stats but over a season there is little to suggest ddg is consistently much if any better these days, I wouldn't blame Dean for either of the goals today but calling him vulnerable near post when comparing with ddg is laughable I maintain Dean isn't the answer for us either but if the choice was him or DDG it'd be him for me easily, it would be tough if they were on near the same money but they're not... But I digress - agree to disagree, hopefully an improved defence from ETH can coax some improvement out of ddg and con some team in to signing him on a free next year as long as we don't foolishly re-sign him Football is a visual game - as much as they try to make every single facet of the sport about numbers. I just don’t rate him, it’s that simple - him showing himself to be a cunt with increasing frequency should be besides the point; but his entitlement vs. his talent shows a huge disparity. Ps. Obviously joking about today… but yeah, don’t rate TheManc and hdcantona 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheManc 3,861 Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 17 hours ago, hdcantona said: He’s about as good as Ddg, who is trash, maybe he’s better overall considering his weaknesses don’t seem to exacerbate those in front as much as Ddg does but yeah not looking like the long term answer at all that said he should still be starting for us DDG > Henderson. Now and always. Henderson comes out for more crosses but also flaps at a huge amount which causes its own problems. I want to move on from both though! 1Day and JJtheRed 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 8,134 Posted August 7 Report Share Posted August 7 2 hours ago, TheManc said: DDG > Henderson. Now and always. Henderson comes out for more crosses but also flaps at a huge amount which causes its own problems. I want to move on from both though! His success rate is still way higher enough to be a net positive and Ddg is weak wristed TheManc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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