Worst managerial decision in history of premier league?

[CB78 384]

Conte wanted to come, Conte was available on limited risk end of season deal- Conte would  have got us top 4 

Fact They let him go to a rival who’ve now beaten us to a Champ league place is worst decision I can think of by a big club board in the history of premier league? 

I hope Ten Hagg is the man but the reality is UTD have gambled & only created an avoidable bigger problem for themselves 

we now have four teams with proven big club managers ahead of us who will invest as much & likely attract transfer targets ahead of us

[1Day 145]

But Utd have ETH on Meth

[CB78 384]

21 minutes ago, 1Day said:

But Utd have ETH on Meth

He’ll need more than Meth 

[1Day 145]

Utd need a complete overall going forward,35 points off top and 23 points off safety,Utd are a full team away from the elite.

Il wait and see what Ten brings to the culture and dynamics,and the style off play for Utd,there are so many areas for improvement overall,but it's not major,just a change of personal,that's all down to how you shop.

[TFIA 15,109]

Best manager in football.

People forget how dead that Spurs side looked when Ole's trash played them off the park at their stadium. Even I felt it would take him getting to the summer before things would turn but the above is just ridiculous. Everywhere he goes he overachieves relative to expectations. Now they're two or three astute signings from going to the next level. They done great business in January., 

Obvious why our board didn't want him. He would be too demanding, too willing to call out their bullshit in public. I'm at least glad that Ralf did the same but Conte would have done it whether he was getting results or not. He takes no bullshit. 

[O 20,624]

5 minutes ago, TFIA said:

Best manager in football.

People forget how dead that Spurs side looked when Ole's trash played them off the park at their stadium. Even I felt it would take him getting to the summer before things would turn but the above is just ridiculous. Everywhere he goes he overachieves relative to expectations. Now they're two or three astute signings from going to the next level. They done great business in January., 

Obvious why our board didn't want him. He would be too demanding, too willing to call out their bullshit in public. I'm at least glad that Ralf did the same but Conte would have done it whether he was getting results or not. He takes no bullshit. 

He'll probably leave Spurs still. Unless he's seriously backed.

Bentancur & Kulusevski were the difference in the end. Greatly improved the starting XI.

[TFIA 15,109]

49 minutes ago, O said:

He'll probably leave Spurs still. Unless he's seriously backed.

Bentancur & Kulusevski were the difference in the end. Greatly improved the starting XI.

Going to PSG will ruin him. He must avoid. 

[SimplyGiggs 5,154]

I like Conte but the problems run too deep for someone as volatile as him. They wouldn't have responded to him, he'd get frustrated and he'd be gone before we'd have been able to reap any of the benefits.

[Albert Quixall 3,867]

1 hour ago, SimplyGiggs said:

I like Conte but the problems run too deep for someone as volatile as him. They wouldn't have responded to him, he'd get frustrated and he'd be gone before we'd have been able to reap any of the benefits.

Either that or he'd rip Joel Glazer's face off.

[Jay007 3,429]

When you read what's gone on with Rangnick, I don't think the squad of shite we have would have responded to Conte either.

The demands he'd make from them would be too much for them to cope with, and the Board wouldn't have put up with him telling them some home truths either.

I'm not sure it would have made a long-term difference either. If it had all gone wrong he'd have been hung out to dry as well. 

[Gary 194]

Conte taking the job would've meant us playing in ECL next season. There's  no way he'd have taken any bullshit from upstairs, that's why I admire him.

January signings? Spurs- Bentancour, Kuslevski Arsenal- Odegaard, Liverpool-Luis Diaz, MUFC- fuckin none,  even when it was blatantly obvious we were going nowhere. Martial off to Seville, Greenwood off to jail and Rashford off to Peterborough next season I hope!

[TFIA 15,109]

17 hours ago, SimplyGiggs said:

I like Conte but the problems run too deep for someone as volatile as him. They wouldn't have responded to him, he'd get frustrated and he'd be gone before we'd have been able to reap any of the benefits.

I think we're past the point of blaming managers though - The board and owners are well aware of it. Just look at the sympathy the rational part of our fanbase has for Ralf. It would have been even more passionate with a proven winner like Conte. 

He would have been so much more difficult to undermine because he would be the long term manager and he's much more reputable having won titles at every big club he's coached. He would have been the boss and our board would have no choice but to back him. His extremely high standards are exactly why I wanted him and why they didn't.

People forget what Spurs looked like when he joined - They were dead. He ran the players into the ground and drilled them until they were sick. Our players would have had no choice but to do what he wants or they'd immediately become expandable. Conte has a habit of getting top performances out of bang average players so he'd just move onto the next guy and banish any troublemakers. 

[1Day 145]

If Conte replaced Ole, instead of the grim reaper (Ralf),in that period,with the players mindset as it was and is, They would have put Conte under the bus.

Utd have just been papering over the cracks,by throwing money at players that never really took Utd forward as a football team.

Let's hope the ethos of football is reborn with ETH,He's a progressive manager with a progressing career,and in His best period.

[John Locke 1,196]

Conte changes clubs every few seasons. ETH may turn out to be an astute appointment. Perhaps its wishful thinking hoping that anyone can salvage our club right now but what he has achieved at ajax deserves a lit of respect. Rangnick came in and it imploded the dressing room. It needed to happen. Now that part is out the way a new manager can come in a take the bull by the horns.

[Alexander 227]

Conte's done well, but there were also forces out of his control that got him to fourth. I've watched Spurs this season and they capitulated too many times against weaker opposition so I don't see his success as unqualified. I think the biggest causal factor was Arsenal's injury crisis, without that I doubt they'd be sitting where they are. Conte is one of those managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Ancelotti and Tuchel whom the media has turned into cult figures and the narratives around them are governed by exceptionalism more than the nuanced truth. My controversial take is that he's on the level of Unai Emery, who is also a great pragmatic coach that thrives on bending hard-working players to his whims.

If you look at Tuchel, there is no pressure on him in spite of everyone expecting him to compete for the league at the beginning of this season. It's because he won the Champions League. Any other manager would be facing a trial by media but to get to that stage you need to do something exceptional to begin with, so I suppose they deserve it up to a point, but if I were to strip everyone of their reputations and I look at who got the most resources out of his team this season controlling for additional recruitment and negative tactics then, apart from the big 2, Graham Potter stands out like a sore thumb. Granted,  he's had the luxury of building his own team at his own pace,  so again there are caveats but to get the results he gets with the way they play is out of this world.  He'll need to do it at a bigger team before he gets to the point where he becomes the reason players want to join a club and where people automatically credit him for the team's success and blame the club for his failures, which is what happens with the big managers (unless they go through a string of chastening failures like Mourinho and Benitez have). 

 

[Pap1918 1,162]

On 24/05/2022 at 19:28, Alexander said:

Conte's done well, but there were also forces out of his control that got him to fourth. I've watched Spurs this season and they capitulated too many times against weaker opposition so I don't see his success as unqualified. I think the biggest causal factor was Arsenal's injury crisis, without that I doubt they'd be sitting where they are. Conte is one of those managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Ancelotti and Tuchel whom the media has turned into cult figures and the narratives around them are governed by exceptionalism more than the nuanced truth. My controversial take is that he's on the level of Unai Emery, who is also a great pragmatic coach that thrives on bending hard-working players to his whims.

If you look at Tuchel, there is no pressure on him in spite of everyone expecting him to compete for the league at the beginning of this season. It's because he won the Champions League. Any other manager would be facing a trial by media but to get to that stage you need to do something exceptional to begin with, so I suppose they deserve it up to a point, but if I were to strip everyone of their reputations and I look at who got the most resources out of his team this season controlling for additional recruitment and negative tactics then, apart from the big 2, Graham Potter stands out like a sore thumb. Granted,  he's had the luxury of building his own team at his own pace,  so again there are caveats but to get the results he gets with the way they play is out of this world.  He'll need to do it at a bigger team before he gets to the point where he becomes the reason players want to join a club and where people automatically credit him for the team's success and blame the club for his failures, which is what happens with the big managers (unless they go through a string of chastening failures like Mourinho and Benitez have). 

 

Agree and disagree.

Arsenal factor for their 4th place   is a secondary or third one.

Following the same way of explaining the events all of the title contenders benefits from the mess in United !?

Conte masked the Spurs cracks ,because he was able to see the problems ,to take counter measures and to show the proper way their team to be developed.  United needed a man like him .

All of the great managers (all great tacticians without any doubt ) mentioned in Your post have that an extra and special qualities compared to the likes of Unaj Emery (I would like to add Pochetino to the Emery's level  ) .