Erik Ten Hag

[Gary 194]

2 hours ago, 1Day said:

Sabitzer,AWB,Sancho,Elanga,Pellestri,Heaton,the new left back?instead he went for the strongest team which is suffering fatigue ,ETH needed to freshen it up ,and to keep it  tight today.

We did keep it tight, for 42 mins

[Gary 194]

Do you remember gentlemen (that even includes you 'O' ) when Utd thrashed S'oton 9-0 in Feb '21? In the dressing room after game Hasenhuttl told all the players that they would be fined a months wages, going to a Charity of the ref's choosing. He also ordered that every one of them, starting immediately, would spend all of their off time ie whilst not training or sleeping,  out in S'oton and help others less fortunate than themselves for the whole week. Children's Hospitals, Aged Care homes, Primary Schools, Shelters for the homeless etc. When asked about his actions big RH said " ANY MAN WHO HAS NO SENSE OF HUMILITY HAS NO PLACE AT MY CLUB "

Wonder what actions his compatriot has in mind?

2 minutes ago, Gary said:

Do you remember gentlemen (that even includes you 'O' ) when Utd thrashed S'oton 9-0 in Feb '21? In the dressing room after game Hasenhuttl told all the players that they would be fined a months wages, going to a Charity of the ref's choosing. He also ordered that every one of them, starting immediately, would spend all of their off time ie whilst not training or sleeping,  out in S'oton and help others less fortunate than themselves for the whole week. Children's Hospitals, Aged Care homes, Primary Schools, Shelters for the homeless etc. When asked about his actions big RH said " ANY MAN WHO HAS NO SENSE OF HUMILITY HAS NO PLACE AT MY CLUB "

Wonder what actions his compatriot has in mind?

Btw MOTM that day? B. Fernandez

[O 20,624]

He needs to change his approach next season.

He's compromised his principles for short term results. It's lead to a decent league campaign and a League Cup trophy (although an easy run of fixtures), but it's not going to translate to winning the two big prizes in the long term.

Get rid of De Gea. United play with one of the deepest defensive lines in The PL. Ronaldo played a role in this too, as it was difficult to press high with him in the team.

Casemiro needs a more technical midfield partner around him. He's very good, but not perfect. He can be wayward with his own passing. Eriksen can provide that, but not in a pivot. You need 3 midfielders in modern football, in my opinion. Bruno could replaced with a natural CM who can play in a midfield three with those two. 

[PVAD 4,575]

5 hours ago, Gary said:

Do you remember gentlemen (that even includes you 'O' ) when Utd thrashed S'oton 9-0 in Feb '21? In the dressing room after game Hasenhuttl told all the players that they would be fined a months wages

Then they played Leicester at Home and got beat

9-0.................AGAIN!!!!! 

LOL

Edited March 6 by PVAD

[hdcantona 9,000]

1 hour ago, O said:

He needs to change his approach next season.

He's compromised his principles for short term results. It's lead to a decent league campaign and a League Cup trophy (although an easy run of fixtures), but it's not going to translate to winning the two big prizes in the long term.

Get rid of De Gea. United play with one of the deepest defensive lines in The PL. Ronaldo played a role in this too, as it was difficult to press high with him in the team.

Casemiro needs a more technical midfield partner around him. He's very good, but not perfect. He can be wayward with his own passing. Eriksen can provide that, but not in a pivot. You need 3 midfielders in modern football, in my opinion. Bruno could replaced with a natural CM who can play in a midfield three with those two. 

Agreed

 

Yesterday actually to me shows what a minor miracle he's worked to get a tune out of this bag of shite with the technical ability of a three footed donkey that we call a squad, even though Eriksen isn't a great fit we missed him dearly even deep due to the technical floor of everyone else we have being so low and nobody outside Martinez able to make consistent progressive passes from deep (casemiro has better range than given credit for and better than most we've had there but he's a DM not a progressor for a reason) 

If Eriksen was ahead of Casemiro and a De Jong type my word that would be a technical and balanced trio 

[John Locke 1,196]

I think there was a lesson in how we should not handle a game when we have gone a few goals behind. When a team hits a purple patch then you really have to raise your level to stop conceding more or even getting back in the game. When it was 3-0 i think heads went down and we weren't used to that since the city game. It's like we were a rabbit in the headlights. 

[PVAD 4,575]

When United find a way to beat the Top 6 away from home we might have a chance of competing for the league. 

We can win cups over the coming seasons but to really challenge you have to go to your main competition and win even drawing is not an option these days. 

I've looked at our away results against the Top 6 over the past few years and it's atrocious simply atrocious. 

The obvious solution is getting the right personnel and mentality but those Top 6 will always put in that extra effort against us. This lot have beaten Arsenal Liverpool Spurs & City at home but could you say any those results were convincing? 

ETH has to take some blame here in the way he sets out his team away from home. Getting mauled by 6 and 7 by City and Liverpool and soundly beat by Arsenal & Brentford is not a good look and he needs to understand why it's a reoccurring theme with this group other than we have 5 players not worthy to wear the shirt.

Even with the shite players aside his tactics have to change next season. We need to be winning at least 3 of the Top 6 away matches and perhaps getting away with a couple of draws and obviously win all home games against them. If we get tha balance right we'll be able to launch a concerted challenge. 

 

Edited March 6 by PVAD

[CB78 384]

bar start of the season, cpl of games in between & the monumental mess that was Sunday I don't think there's been much wrong with his tactics/use of players to date

Regardless of Sunday, UTD were already miles from type of football Ten Haag will eventually want to see.  Given another pre-season, more signings, positive we'll evolve 

Generally done a good job, I've admired how he's adapted principles, think it was right approach given the players he has to work with 

I think (& ff'ing hope) we'll bounce back from this, finish the season strong 

Edited March 7 by CB78
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[kevthebad 914]

When United won the cup against Newcastle Robbie Savage said he thought ETH was the best manager in the world. After Liverpool, he gamely tried to defend that against Liverpool fans ringing up and ridiculing him.

For the bunch of shite he took over, he has performed a bit of a miracle. Unfortunately his name as manager will historically be linked with the worst EVER defeat by our biggest Derby enemy. ( sorry City, you've only been a threat since you became moneybags ).

Using a bird as an analogy. It has to have both wings performing to achieve good flight. Post SAF years we have been stunted by only having a good left wing. ETH would have been well aware of that and spent nearly 80million bringing in Antony who he is very familiar with. I think that could prove to be a big mistake on his part. Yes Antony is skilful, but for a right winger he seems to have two big failings. He has a lack of pace, and worse, he cannot beat a defender and cross from the by-line. As an example of a good right winger, I think of Steve Coppell. Not the biggest United star, but the times he'd get to the by-line and ping a dangerous ball into the box. Don't know if they had stats for assists back then but he must have a good amount. If Antony could cross right footed even without pace he'd be so dangerous, but he can't. Lets him down enormously. No assists this season. So if Dalot overlaps to get a right wing cross in from the by-line and the opposition clear and break, then our left side is exposed and needs a centre back to move out of the middle to fill it, leaving gaps. 

So has ETH made a blunder in spending so much on a hamstrung right winger? If Greenwood haven't been a fool, he would have been able to perform there as Amad may yet return to do, or Pellistri. But 80 million for a right winger who can't use his right foot!

[O 20,624]

Gabriel Jesus missed 4 months because of an injury.

Smith-Rowe has only played 9 times this season because of a long term injury.

Elneny has missed 26 games and counting.

Zinchenko has missed 7 PL games through injury.

Partey has missed 5 PL games through injury. He missed United away and City at home. Two of Arsenal's 3 defeats.

Nketiah has missed the last 2 league games, so they played Trossard as a false 9.

[hdcantona 9,000]

2 hours ago, O said:

Gabriel Jesus missed 4 months because of an injury.

Smith-Rowe has only played 9 times this season because of a long term injury.

Elneny has missed 26 games and counting.

Zinchenko has missed 7 PL games through injury.

Partey has missed 5 PL games through injury. He missed United away and City at home. Two of Arsenal's 3 defeats.

Nketiah has missed the last 2 league games, so they played Trossard as a false 9.

8 of their first choice 11 have started 25/27 league games this season. In comparison United have had 3 players start 24 or more out of 26 games. It’s not remotely comparable.
 

this is his point ^^
 

but to be fair it’s quite fergie esque to distract from our recent struggles  

 

 

[O 20,624]

38 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

8 of their first choice 11 have started 25/27 league games this season. In comparison United have had 3 players start 24 or more out of 26 games. It’s not remotely comparable.
 

this is his point ^^
 

but to be fair it’s quite fergie esque to distract from our recent struggles  

 

 

Bald fraud.

[1Day 145]

Needs to take His own advice 

[hdcantona 9,000]

he had a mare today, the team looked bad on paper and he made it worse with how he deployed it, I get that we were missing the only 2 good midfielders we have but he didn't help and made very poor subs, considering the context of this and what's already happened this season with away games this is IMO his worst performance as a manager for us by some margin - very disappointing 

Now I did mention in the summer priorities thread that part of this is there's only so much coaching can do when you have players so lacking in technical ability (and/or athleticism in some cases) but even from what he could control, he did so poorly today 

We've overachieved significantly thus far, he needs to do a deep internal dive and change things for the 2 more games we have without both Casemiro and Eriksen because so far trying the same thing hasn't worked - there are a lot of games left to go this season and while we hopefully won't be without both for much longer it doesn't excuse some of his other decisions and we've been caught lacking away too often this season, despite the great strides made in many areas (I could go on about how the players let him down a bit too but we all saw that) 

[Jay007 3,429]

The Varane/Martinez substitutions were absolutely bizarre. The two CBs are the last line of defence essentially so there were bigger problems than them, but I really don't understand what the plan was.

It was always going to leave us completely exposed, particularly when we'd played so badly - I don't think we were ever going to get back into it with those subs considering we couldn't ever get real control of the game.

[Albert Quixall 3,867]

Sack him and hire Potter.

[PVAD 4,575]

2 hours ago, Albert Quixall said:

Sack him and hire Potter.

Nah get in Rogers!!

As much as we admire what ETH has done he has a band of favourites which is not a good direction to go in.

I think he lacks some bottle in this area where the likes of De Gea Shaw Fernandes Mctominnay and apparently Weghorst now can do no wrong.

If he goes down this path which it looks like he will then we're fucked. We need a manager not a mate running this club.

I'm not wrong all of those players seemingly can do wrong. 

Edited April 2 by PVAD

[Gary 194]

On 06/03/2023 at 20:26, PVAD said:

Then they played Leicester at Home and got beat

9-0.................AGAIN!!!!! 

LOL

Indeed, but they still avoided relegation 

[1Day 145]

My gripe is selection for certain games and tactics,yesterday the 3 go to players were subbed,that’s very questionable,and why do United have a habit of giving away corners and free kicks like they are going out of fashion,United always give the edge to the opposition,the playing from back not fully mastered yet,may never be ,unless United get quality signings ..The motivation should be ,don’t let them score ,and We will create chances.The lethargic approach died ages ago.

[PVAD 4,575]

I don't know whether its a manager staunchly defending a player against the press or whether he has been smoking a crack pipe and lost sense of rational thought. No matter what the following quote is worrying very worrying.

"....and that with Wout we are quite successful. And I think that is the evidence, so that is what I can say about that. I am happy with him because he is doing a great job for this team."

I thought the guy was astute with  evidence shown in his style of play in what he achieved with Ajax but this is now becoming serious.

If he truly believes, and judging by 20 consecutive starts, that Wout Weghorst has in any way shape or form influenced the way United have performed and made us more stronger as a team then I've lost the initial faith I had in him.

Coming out with this type of hyperbole about one of "THE WORST" players ever to put on the red jersey loses any credibility he had and makes him imo a laughing stock.

[1Day 145]

Post Carabao,ETH is getting away with murder 

[hdcantona 9,000]

People blaming him for the subs but other than Bruno and antony they either had to go off due to injury/fitness or poor play, and he didn’t make malacia switch off, then have a dire deflection beat ddg near post, or the awful deflection off maguire 

he also didn’t make us fluff the numerous other chances.

 

that’s not to say he’s without any blame but on a shitshow of a night which was horrifically unfortunate and impactful i think it’s silly to try and direct that anger towards one thing like eths subs

[Gary 194]

31 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

People blaming him for the subs but other than Bruno and antony they either had to go off due to injury/fitness or poor play, and he didn’t make malacia switch off, then have a dire deflection beat ddg near post, or the awful deflection off maguire 

he also didn’t make us fluff the numerous other chances.

 

that’s not to say he’s without any blame but on a shitshow of a night which was horrifically unfortunate and impactful i think it’s silly to try and direct that anger towards one thing like eths subs

Sorry mate, I've got absolutely no respect for any manager who plays Sancho and Weghorst in his 1st team. Or, probably worse, has Elanga even considered for a place on his bench.

[hdcantona 9,000]

4 minutes ago, Gary said:

Sorry mate, I've got absolutely no respect for any manager who plays Sancho and Weghorst in his 1st team. Or, probably worse, has Elanga even considered for a place on his bench.

Our squad is paper thin, he can't simultaneously be blamed for lack of rotation, and for playing fringe players (especially when 2-0 up at home, and especially considering we should've scored a third *AFTER* the majority of the subs)

Update
 

 

[rezzy 4,678]

We were 2-0. This isnt on ETH. We had chances to score more.

The game fell apart when Malacia fucked up, and within seconds Martinez gets injured and we're playing with 10.

What can you do when you get both CB injured, and two OG's in the same game.