Erik Ten Hag

[O 20,759]

20 minutes ago, John Locke said:

There is a case for Newcastle being at a similar level to us based on the points total. Arguably our season will have been better provided we finish in fourth place as we have won a trophy and had more games to contend with.

Liverpool squad hasn't changed that much since last year when they were in the CL final. They lost a key player in mane and have had to modify their tactics but they now look as strong as us. Should klopp be sacked based on his terms performance this campaign given that he's had a lot longer to build a squad compared to ten hag?

I think we will play better once we have a decent striker and varane/martinez back or better replacements.

One of the best series ever and one of the main characters so must be in with a shout.

There is no case. Their manager is overachieving. Isak has been injured for most of the season. Pope, Trippier, Bruno Guimãraes and Isak are the only 4 Newcastle players who improve United's XI.

Liverpool are an ageing team. van Dijk has lost some pace since his ACL, Henderson is nearly 33, Fabinho is washed, Thiago is 32 and injury prone Milner is old and leaving on a free, and Firmino is also leaving on a free. They need to sign at least 2 new midfielders and a CB. Mané's goals have been replaced already. Liverpool can still attack. They can't defend like they used to, and no longer have energy in midfield. They've lost out on their primary transfer target, Bellingham, and their fans hate their owners as much as United fans hate the Glazers. Klopp was 2 results away from a historic Quadruple last season, so no. He's built up enough loyalty points over the past few seasons. Liverpool aren't even playing well themselves. They're grinding out wins.

Lisandro Martínez played in 8 out of United's 11 defeats this season. Varane played in heavy defeats such as Brentford, City and Liverpool.

Lost was a trash series that lost its way after a great start.

[O 20,759]

 

 

 

[rezzy 4,715]

3 hours ago, O said:

 

 

 

He'd sign for United and then never feature for England ever again. The minute he signs for United Pope and Ramsdale become England #1 and 2.

[hdcantona 9,140]

10 hours ago, O said:

 

 

 

We’ve also been linked with emi Martinez and a bunch of goalkeepers who are actually good with the ball at their feet

[O 20,759]

7 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

We’ve also been linked with emi Martinez and a bunch of goalkeepers who are actually good with the ball at their feet

Emi Martínez is just okay with his feet tbh.

He's a much better goalkeeper than De Gea overall though. Strong mentality.

[hdcantona 9,140]

15 hours ago, O said:

Emi Martínez is just okay with his feet tbh.

He's a much better goalkeeper than De Gea overall though. Strong mentality.

Yeah I’d take it but age profile and ball playing aren’t ideal, and it again would annoy me about the recruitment side of things 

[PVAD 4,635]

Scraping to achieve the bare minimum.

Guilty of repetitive tactics even when he states performances have been unacceptable

Some of the worst away tactics I've ever seen from a United manager

Made some of the worst substitute decisions that leaves me scratching my head.

Playing out of form players week in week out and sticking and trying desperately to justify those horrific decisions. Basically plays his favourites.

Style of play is basically from the Solskjaer era.

Better season than last...let's face it we couldn't get any worse could we...however he will not be the man to bring the Premiership home, period, and you can quote me on that.

Will win the occasional cup like this season..may well win 2 this season but will not always be as lucky in the home draws we've had this season.

Manchester United are now the Manchester United of the 70's and 80's ...welcome to the future.

UNITED UNITED UNITED forever in my blood.

Edited May 20 by PVAD

[Gary 213]

Never been so glad to hear a final whistle. Yeah, 3 points,  but made me far more keen to hear it was ending yet another drab, dour and totally pathetic performance from Utd. There's no way I can respect any Manager who would give Sancho any minutes let alone have him in his starting 11. EtH hasn't show any signs whatsoever to indicate that he can take Utd up a level. I've never seen a performance that indicates they've been sent out with an overall game plan. Instructions on how to play to our strengths ( tho fuck knows there aren't many) or any structure that does show Utd that's required to score goals never mind win games. Really concerned about him being the boss for so many reasons. Team morale? Non existent. Big worry!

[O 20,759]

 

[hdcantona 9,140]

 

[O 20,759]

25 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

 

Rangnick is a genius.

[hdcantona 9,140]

48 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

 

Good thread in relation to this 
 

 

Suspect how much of a transition we see will be largely based on how well the board does turning the squad over

[O 20,759]

He's a questionable individual off the pitch.

The Promes situation, his comments on Overmars, and now Greenwood.

It's clear that ten Hag would bring him back if it were up to him. Not a good look.

 

Oh, and Arnautović too. The club stopped that.

[TFIA 15,140]

52 minutes ago, O said:

He's a questionable individual off the pitch.

The Promes situation, his comments on Overmars, and now Greenwood.

It's clear that ten Hag would bring him back if it were up to him. Not a good look.

 

Oh, and Arnautović too. The club stopped that.

Ten Hag will have almost nothing to do with the Greenwood decision.

I imagine most managers would take him if given the choice. Their job is to win games above anything else.

It wont bother the players. Football dressing rooms aren’t exactly college campuses when it comes to progressive values. They’ll largely sympathise with him I’d bet. I suspect Greenwood and his team will do some PR work before any return, probably involve Harriet in some capacity to win people over.

If he doesn’t play for the club again it will be because they deemed him too problematic for the brand. Football will be a secondary consideration.

[O 20,759]

1 minute ago, TFIA said:

Ten Hag will have almost nothing to do with the Greenwood decision.

I imagine most managers would take him if given the choice. Their job is to win games above anything else.

It wont bother the players. Football dressing rooms aren’t exactly college campuses when it comes to progressive values. They’ll largely sympathise with him I’d bet. I suspect Greenwood and his team will do some PR work before any return, probably involve Harriet in some capacity to win people over.

If he doesn’t play for the club again it will be because they deemed him too problematic for the brand. Football will be a secondary consideration.

Stop trying to justify it.

ten Hag is a dodgy individual. Maybe having someone evil is what United need to return to the top. ten Hag and Greenwood as Master and Apprentice.

I doubt many of the senior players or the ones with children/sisters will be a fan of Greenwood returning. Maybe the young ones like Sancho won't mind. Some of the Women's team already voiced their concerns over having to share facilities with him, apparently. That was reported a few months ago.

Your last paragraph is exactly what it comes down to.

[CB78 395]

7 hours ago, O said:

ten Hag is a dodgy individual. Maybe having someone evil is what United need to return to the top. ten Hag and Greenwood as Master and Apprentice.

so;

not only is Ten Hagg a counter attacking half wit who shud have had UTD playing dominating possession Footie in his 1st season

he’s also now a dodgy bloke/possibly even evil;  FFS

you really don’t like him do you?  

[O 20,759]

30 minutes ago, CB78 said:

so;

not only is Ten Hagg a counter attacking half wit who shud have had UTD playing dominating possession Footie in his 1st season

he’s also now a dodgy bloke/possibly even evil;  FFS

you really don’t like him do you?  

I stopped liking ten Hag during the Overmars incident at Ajax. He continued to defend him after the evidence came to light.

Do you deny that he played a player accused of stabbing someone (soon fled to Russia after Ajax facilitated a transfer), defended his friend Overmars who was forced to resign, tried to sign a racist (Arnautović), made his latest Greenwood comments (soft launch to gauge public opinion).

His family are one of the wealthiest in The Netherlands. He's from old money.

Tbh, I dislike you more than ten Hag. He's many things, but not a fool.

 

[Deez Nutz 379]

Next season is is when we can asses his management skills with a clearer understanding of what he's about, especially if he signs players he thinks will improve the squad, on a personal level, O doesn't like him, probably means he's a likeable individual.

[O 20,759]

2 minutes ago, Deez Nutz said:

Next season is is when we can asses his management skills with a clearer understanding of what he's about, especially if he signs players he thinks will improve the squad, on a personal level, O doesn't like him, probably means he's a likeable individual.

Still waiting on your response to the current state of La Liga, mate.

[Deez Nutz 379]

3 minutes ago, O said:

Still waiting on your response to the current state of La Liga, mate.

Don't know, as I don't watch it, it's a weird concept, but I don't give opinions on matters I know little about!

[CB78 395]

50 minutes ago, O said:

I stopped liking ten Hag during the Overmars incident at Ajax. He continued to defend him after the evidence came to light.

Do you deny that he played a player accused of stabbing someone (soon fled to Russia after Ajax facilitated a transfer), defended his friend Overmars who was forced to resign, tried to sign a racist (Arnautović), made his latest Greenwood comments (soft launch to gauge public opinion).

His family are one of the wealthiest in The Netherlands. He's from old money.

Tbh, I dislike you more than ten Hag. He's many things, but not a fool.

 

Listen - Nxt season

when the glimmers of decent football start emerging

& your regretting pushing yourself into a corner with an unnecessarily extreme anti Ten Hagg position when you could’ve given him some time / reserved judgement 

I just want you to know I’m here for you;  

[O 20,759]

30 minutes ago, CB78 said:

Listen - Nxt season

when the glimmers of decent football start emerging

& your regretting pushing yourself into a corner with an unnecessarily extreme anti Ten Hagg position when you could’ve given him some time / reserved judgement 

I just want you to know I’m here for you;  

Hmmm...  no glimmers this season then. Sounds very negative for you.

I stopped being a United supporter around Istanbul B' away. I have zero regrets.

The fact that you're deflecting from the points made shows you have no real answer to them.

In an ideal world, Newcastle will become the top dogs and crush United, Liverpool, City and co. We're 5+ years away from that, so enjoy every trophy that you can until that day. Wey aye, man! Byker Grove FC.

[O 20,759]

United lost 12 games this season under ten Hag compared to:

• 13/14 season - 16 defeats
• 14/15 season - 10 defeats
• 15/16 season - 14 defeats
• 16/17 season - 9 defeats
• 17/18 season - 11 defeats
• 18/19 season - 16 defeats
• 19/20 season - 12 defeats
• 20/21 season - 12 defeats
• 21/22 season - 15 defeats
• 22/23 season - 12 defeats

It feels like this season was a case of improving on last season's horror show, only to end up back where Ole had the team circa May 2021.

74 points vs 75 points.

A Europa League final defeat (via penalties) vs an FA Cup final defeat.

This current United squad has a bit more about them now vs 2 years ago. They actually won a trophy. But many of the same deficiencies still remain.

It'll be interesting to see how ten Hag fares next season after further investment.

[PVAD 4,635]

I get he has to blindside the media about the team performance but seriously sometimes call it out for what it was today.

He's clutching at straws saying we stopped them scoring from open play ..well the first one was from open play FFS. Regardless it's this trying to find any shred of evidence that his team performed well today and to praise their effort..he said he was proud of them. SMH.

If that VAR decision doesn't go our way we don't score at all from open play period. 

He seems to be a no-nonsense guy making some strong decisions already on the likes of McFred and Maguire but like I said he will not bring the Premiership back to Old Trafford. Quote me and come at me.

The blind faith he shows on our embarrassing so called talent like Sancho Fernandes Rashford Shaw Erikson De Gea will be his downfall.

Most of aforementioned will play an integral part next season and none are consistently good. In fact some are so poor at times they don't even warrant a starting place. The decision to bring on Weghorst on with 25 minutes to go was predictable as well as stupid especially when Pellestri was an option seeing what Garnacho was doing on the other side. Just utterly bizarre.

Some fans seriously think a Kane or a couple of top midfielders will change our fortunes and to trust Ten Hag...time will tell but he will have to stop this insistence of bigging up those stars because in reality they are flattering to deceive.

[Gary 213]

10 hours ago, PVAD said:

I get he has to blindside the media about the team performance but seriously sometimes call it out for what it was today.

He's clutching at straws saying we stopped them scoring from open play ..well the first one was from open play FFS. Regardless it's this trying to find any shred of evidence that his team performed well today and to praise their effort..he said he was proud of them. SMH.

If that VAR decision doesn't go our way we don't score at all from open play period. 

He seems to be a no-nonsense guy making some strong decisions already on the likes of McFred and Maguire but like I said he will not bring the Premiership back to Old Trafford. Quote me and come at me.

The blind faith he shows on our embarrassing so called talent like Sancho Fernandes Rashford Shaw Erikson De Gea will be his downfall.

Most of aforementioned will play an integral part next season and none are consistently good. In fact some are so poor at times they don't even warrant a starting place. The decision to bring on Weghorst on with 25 minutes to go was predictable as well as stupid especially when Pellestri was an option seeing what Garnacho was doing on the other side. Just utterly bizarre.

Some fans seriously think a Kane or a couple of top midfielders will change our fortunes and to trust Ten Hag...time will tell but he will have to stop this insistence of bigging up those stars because in reality they are flattering to deceive.

SMH ? Sydney Morning Herald.

10 hours ago, PVAD said:

I get he has to blindside the media about the team performance but seriously sometimes call it out for what it was today.

He's clutching at straws saying we stopped them scoring from open play ..well the first one was from open play FFS. Regardless it's this trying to find any shred of evidence that his team performed well today and to praise their effort..he said he was proud of them. SMH.

If that VAR decision doesn't go our way we don't score at all from open play period. 

He seems to be a no-nonsense guy making some strong decisions already on the likes of McFred and Maguire but like I said he will not bring the Premiership back to Old Trafford. Quote me and come at me.

The blind faith he shows on our embarrassing so called talent like Sancho Fernandes Rashford Shaw Erikson De Gea will be his downfall.

Most of aforementioned will play an integral part next season and none are consistently good. In fact some are so poor at times they don't even warrant a starting place. The decision to bring on Weghorst on with 25 minutes to go was predictable as well as stupid especially when Pellestri was an option seeing what Garnacho was doing on the other side. Just utterly bizarre.

Some fans seriously think a Kane or a couple of top midfielders will change our fortunes and to trust Ten Hag...time will tell but he will have to stop this insistence of bigging up those stars because in reality they are flattering to deceive.

They're not deceiving too many at the moment comrade. Nor have they for a few seasons I'd say.

Giving Dalot a new 5 year deal says a lot about EtB ( Erik the bland) He'll settle for mediocrity any week of the season. Brought Anthony with him from Ajax and what a free flowing dashing winger who scores and assists barrow loads he's turned out not to be. Think those positive aspects to a professional footballer is just not his want. Signed Weghorst, enough said. Gives sancho a game before both Garnacho & Pellistri defies logic ( I think I'd rather see Dan James back at OT than sancho, well, maybe that's pushing it?) With young G & P sitting on the bench week after week and let this absolute fuckin english halfwit astonish everyone by playing even worse than he did last game is baffling ( sincerely hope Southgate brings him back into the National plans) 

If you're good enough your old enough. So why the fuck are these 2 lads not being given a chance to show why they were signed by MUFC in the 1st place?