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We really need to start getting our transfers right, starting with this summer. This club has spent insane amounts of money on the squad over the last decade, with very little success. 

I feel the people in power, making these key football decisions have focused solely on the commercial upside of bringing in new players over recent years. Very little thought whatsoever has been applied to the teams style of play and recruiting players who fit a clear philosophy of how the manager wants to play. 

Our recruitment has been the worst of any big club I can think of. And it's even further highlighted when you compare it to the likes of City & Liverpool, who more times than not, have brought in a player who fits straight into their system.

Seeing how Liverpool have transformed under Klopp especially, gives me some hope that it's possible for United to achieve similar over these next 5 years if we follow a similar blueprint. And yes that's hard to admit as a United fan, but as painful as it is, it's the truth. Couldn't have been more emphasised with that result tonight. Just look at how that Liverpool team were performing before Klopp was signed. It was clear from the get-go that he had a vision for how he wanted his team to play and everything was done to help him recruit the right players from there. Look at the results. Incredible success rate with their recruitment.

This club is in a similar moment really right now. I feel the arrival of Ten Hag is in someways and unknown quantity but a little bit exciting at the same time. I feel if United are to compete moving forward we'll have to let Ten Hag completely revamp this teams style of play and overhaul the squad with Ralf in the consultantcy role. But make no mistake about it, our recruitment will need to be spot on.

I just can't understand in today's game, with all the tools a huge football club like United has at it's disposal, that we can't identify players before they become well known. What are our scouting team actually doing? Who gives the final approval on transfer targets? These are questions that Ten Hag will need to have a major influence in moving forward. I just hope he's fully backed from the beginning by the United board and if he has a vision of where he wants this United team to be in 3 or 4 years time, then give him absolutely everything we have in our disposal to make this happen. Starting with a clear recruitment plan of the players he wants to fit into his own style of play.

At this stage, I'd rather a couple of seasons of finishing outside the top 4 & Champions League, if it meant we could get behind a new style of play and a young, hungry squad where the signs of a clear vision under the new manager are there for all to see. Our recruitment  moving forward will be key in all of this.

 

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#mufc’s chief scout, Jim Lawlor, and Marcel Bout, the head of global scouting, have both left the club   the men that scouted 800 RBs and narrowed it down to the two young English RBs in the pr

Sorry, but Fergie has to shoulder some of the blame for this mess. Left Moyes with a team that was on the decline, refused to address the midfield problem that is still a problem 9 years later, and st

I've got to say, I'm really surprised by this - I didn't think we actually had a scouting department.

The recruitment must be started from today . Every single man (or pussy) from the 1st team must be put in the transfer list even for free. Some money could be gained for 2-3 half decent footballers and the rest of the team should be collected from the reserve team and youths. The Club training base must be cleaned with the strongest chemicals available against diseases. 

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2 hours ago, Pap1918 said:

The recruitment must be started from today . Every single man (or pussy) from the 1st team must be put in the transfer list even for free. Some money could be gained for 2-3 half decent footballers and the rest of the team should be collected from the reserve team and youths. The Club training base must be cleaned with the strongest chemicals available against diseases. 

Agree to a certain extent bro but looking at last night's team, Trashford, Lindgard, Elanga and McT on the bench. All thru the Academy! Doesn't make good b/reading! Only 1 to make a contribution was wee Hanibal, a little bit quicker and he might have broke Henderson's leg. Shows potential 

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It's going to be shit. Especially if/when Ralf is kicked to the curb because no doubt our reactionary fans will call him a failure.

The Bruno contract tells you all you need to know. Under no pressure, less than 3 months before a new manager comes in and while he's in the worst fucking form of his career we make him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player at the club. There is every chance a high risk/high reward player like Bruno will struggle in a possession heavy system which is what ETH will want to implement. Scenes when Bruno is dropped for Donny next year and he's yet another overpaid guy we'll struggle to move on.

We're still sabotaging ourselves. We're still picking up countless injuries every year. Still making reactionary decisions for all the wrong reasons. This isn't going to get better as we've committed too much money to this trash to effectively offload them quickly. Ten Hag is going to fail for the reasons everyone else as failed. The people above them don't know what they're doing and they don't particularly care to. 

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Pre -game last night.  Never gone into game so convinced we wouldn't get a result;  

However, always trying to find a little optimism, I've heard Jamie Carragher say a few times over the years it's never as bad as it seems, i.e. bring in 4/5/6 of the right signings/characters things can turnaround very quickly, change the culture, bring the best of existing underperforming players.   

I agree.

The bigger concerns for me at this point? 

1-   Do we have a board that will get the signings we need over the line?  They've consistently shown over the years, (including last summer) they do half the job in transfer windows, always a player / position or 2/3 short.  Destroys momentum, top players in other positions don't flourish because they don't have the strength around them

Will they learn from mistakes?

2-   Can we attract the players we need?  They're turning UTD into an average Daniel Levy / Tottenham like Toxic set up?   Consistent bad decision making/track record in top players going backwards when they come to UTD/toxic atmosphere, this will be genuinely be putting players off

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2 hours ago, Gary said:

Agree to a certain extent bro but looking at last night's team, Trashford, Lindgard, Elanga and McT on the bench. All thru the Academy! Doesn't make good b/reading! Only 1 to make a contribution was wee Hanibal, a little bit quicker and he might have broke Henderson's leg. Shows potential 

Henderson Elanga and McT could take a last chance ,but only on a reduced wages . Rashford and Lingard are free to run away elsewhere they want . They are an academy graduates ,but they are already ,,infected". They are part of the failure as well so sell

United need to learn some lessons from other Academy graduates likes of Pogba ,Welbeck , Gibson, Chong ,Macheda ....

 

 

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5 hours ago, hdcantona said:

#mufc’s chief scout, Jim Lawlor, and Marcel Bout, the head of global scouting, have both left the club
 

the men that scouted 800 RBs and narrowed it down to the two young English RBs in the prem with completely opposed play styles 

can’t say they’ll be missed 

This is the kind of shake-up we need, in my opinion. I've been wondering for the last few years what the hell our scouting team have actually been doing? Or are they actually identifying good targets to recruit for the team, only to have someone above them ignore suggestions & go and sign players solely for the commercial upside? 

For a huge club like United, we should have all the tools at our disposal to get the best scouting team money can buy and start identifying young players who we can work with & develop. Hopefully with Ten Hag, we finally have the manager who will make this one if his main priorities.

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I trust Ralf with this, as long as our board act with any sense which is unlikely. I don't want anymore huge signings for a while. We aren't ready. Buy smart. 

We need some major luck with the young players. Garner, Hannibal, Laird, Pellistri, Amad....i think all of these will have full pre seasons right? It would be priceless if one or two can step up and become actual players. 

Seems we will definitely buy a CB, CM and a striker. The question on top of that is whether we buy 2 CMs. 

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Every previous manager,post Saf seen the rot,even,in the later days of Saf, he new the other teams around Utd were progressing and Utd were looking static,He did his bit and will go down in history,due to health and death situations and his age and the tenure He knew it was time to hang up His boots,Glazers wanted glamour and money,not results and a hardworking team ,that made careers for themselves,and a few went on very beyond,Saf was never about the glamour,if that was the case,then Beckham would not have had a black eye,Keane wouldn't have been allowed to go, Ronaldo would not have been sold without a big struggle,Saf gave his methods,but never put of with nonsense,He new players are replaceable,but lost dignity is not.

Last night I experienced the remnants of diahorea,being flushed down the toilet,Ralf seen that and said it,Utd require a new squad a new way of playing a new way of buying,The templates are City, Liverpool,even Chelsea level to start of with and improve,would suffice,Then you would look at Borussia, Bayern,Utd need to improve and be above this pack,with the right mixture of players,a new method of defending,better ways of using the midfield,better ways of breaking down teams,better ways of utilising control of the ball,knowing that risk of losing a ball for the sake of going forward,is the biggest sin,not to commit yourself on the bylines but to contain the player so He makes an error, winning the first balls and the second before the opposition, taking full use of corners and setpieces as a goal should come out of it,the commitment has to be 100%,no honest player will argue with that,the whole teams aim should be to win or lose with dignity and pride.

Records are there to be made,and then to be broken by others,that's why We have competition,it's time now for Utd,they need to eat humble pie and get competitive and make records again,it will be an adventure for a better word,it's not rocket science.

Btw the only player at UTD who has athletism is the old man Cr7.

Utd will require fit,strong,agile, professional recruitments,and then the skill and speciality and the mental state plus any traits in their character or personality,Utd need to spread the scouts,and start looking, for certain type of players that can fit that bill to some extent.

Between 19-27,I would not look older that,to start a team off with.

Wages between £35000-£70000.

Take no notice,it's just a rant.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, hdcantona said:

#mufc’s chief scout, Jim Lawlor, and Marcel Bout, the head of global scouting, have both left the club
 

the men that scouted 800 RBs and narrowed it down to the two young English RBs in the prem with completely opposed play styles 

can’t say they’ll be missed 

I've got to say, I'm really surprised by this - I didn't think we actually had a scouting department.

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@Garythinks we should sign Bellingham and build the team around him. A good idea. If Ten Hag does come here with a plan, I hope it's along those lines.

29 minutes ago, Jay007 said:

I've got to say, I'm really surprised by this - I didn't think we actually had a scouting department.

Bob Bishop must be turning in his grave, God rest his soul.

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4 hours ago, Jay007 said:

I've got to say, I'm really surprised by this - I didn't think we actually had a scouting department.

You are right .

Alphonso Davies for example ...... Strongly recommended to be signed at any cost (2 mln actually)  by special report  ,but someone decided that World turns around trials . Nice work.

Don't give a sh*t how bad coach Ralf is ,but credit for his efforts toward overhauling the scouting department .

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9 hours ago, TheManc said:

I trust Ralf with this, as long as our board act with any sense which is unlikely. I don't want anymore huge signings for a while. We aren't ready. Buy smart. 

We need some major luck with the young players. Garner, Hannibal, Laird, Pellistri, Amad....i think all of these will have full pre seasons right? It would be priceless if one or two can step up and become actual players. 

Seems we will definitely buy a CB, CM and a striker. The question on top of that is whether we buy 2 CMs. 

I'd like to see Garner & Hannibal in the first team squad next season. Matic & Pogba ate leaving - give these two a chance as squad players at least. Sign a new ready made CM too.

As promising a talent as Laird is, his injury troubles would be a concern to me. Amad should take Greenwood's place in the squad next season hopefully. Give Pellistri another loan deal.

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Paul Mitchell's name is popping up again as potentially taking up a head of recruitment role at United. He's currently at Monaco. Has previously done great work at Southampton & Spurs. He's got a good relationship with Ralf, was actually seated with him watching the United youths recently. And supposedly Ralf has recommended him to the United board. 

This could be a great bit of business to improve the club's recruitment moving forward. Hopefully there's some truth to this one.

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21 hours ago, hdcantona said:

#mufc’s chief scout, Jim Lawlor, and Marcel Bout, the head of global scouting, have both left the club
 

the men that scouted 800 RBs and narrowed it down to the two young English RBs in the prem with completely opposed play styles 

can’t say they’ll be missed 

Just a little concerned as to who will fill those roles. RR?

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Carragher again today 

""It didn't take long for Thomas Tuchel to turn things around when he came into Chelsea. This idea of four or five years to turn a club round, Manchester United don't need that. If they get the recruitment right, get the right manager in, a couple of years at the most they should be challenging for the biggest honours.""

He's spot on-  the question is will the board properly back him/do they have skill set.   Ten Haag needs fully backed, not 70/80% - FULLY - address every weak position.   Get the job done 

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3 hours ago, CB78 said:

Carragher again today 

""It didn't take long for Thomas Tuchel to turn things around when he came into Chelsea. This idea of four or five years to turn a club round, Manchester United don't need that. If they get the recruitment right, get the right manager in, a couple of years at the most they should be challenging for the biggest honours.""

He's spot on-  the question is will the board properly back him/do they have skill set.   Ten Haag needs fully backed, not 70/80% - FULLY - address every weak position.   Get the job done 

Chelsea were nothing like the mess we were in. They had so many quality player at a great age. Lampard just really was that bad. 

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Priority recruitment should be a security team to escort 10-12 members of the first team squad off the premises at Carrington for good.

Sadly, we'll probably have to do an Arsenal and take a massive hit on paying off the likes of Jones. Getting rid of Martial and Maguire would probably cost more than buying a new midfield but might be worth it.

 

 

 

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I agree recruit it all the way up and down,left and right,then vaccinate and bleach out the whole place,just to make sure there’s no undergrowth,place is riddled with people who don’t want to do their job but are willing to take in the easy money.

Weed it out..by weeding them out.

 

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5 hours ago, TFIA said:

Chelsea were nothing like the mess we were in. They had so many quality player at a great age. Lampard just really was that bad. 

Yeah possibly;  but I’d still agree with Carraghers point, strong management & good recruitment we’re not as far away as made out

unlikely we’ll get top targets but there’s still 5/6 gettable players in key positions that could improve this team massively 

Plus (as much as they’ve downed tools) I’m still convinced there’s a core of good existing players that can improve significantly under better management & stronger additions brought in around them in key positions 

The questions are? Is Ten Hagg the man?- (I’m 100% behind but it’s a gamble for me)

& have the board got the gumption to get 5/6 players in - more likely we’ll get 3/4 & it won’t be enough 

they tried to sell the long term rebuild, cultural reset bullshit / we know what we’re doing at start of Ole reign - failed miserably it was myth then it’s a myth now IMO

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On 21/04/2022 at 02:48, Eddie said:

This is the kind of shake-up we need, in my opinion. I've been wondering for the last few years what the hell our scouting team have actually been doing? Or are they actually identifying good targets to recruit for the team, only to have someone above them ignore suggestions & go and sign players solely for the commercial upside? 

For a huge club like United, we should have all the tools at our disposal to get the best scouting team money can buy and start identifying young players who we can work with & develop. Hopefully with Ten Hag, we finally have the manager who will make this one if his main priorities.

Agree entirely but don't you think our 'set piece coach' should be afforded another season or 2, given the result of his expertise in this role?

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