david de gea David De Gea

[O 20,624]

9 hours ago, Gary said:

Gloves are off now pal. Let me give you a  bit of advice Oliver, a wee tip. Don't ever try to fuck about with an ex-squaddie, especially living where you do with a Military base nearby. Don't try it online, nor in a boozer, don't think of it at your granny's funeral. Fuck it, not even at the Chealsea fuckin Flower Show. Know why? Coz you'll always come out worse. Coupla old mates of mine will reinforce that point to you in the very foreseeable future!

You probably shouldn't be leaving evidence like this online, bud.

[Gary 194]

11 hours ago, O said:

You probably shouldn't be leaving evidence like this online, bud.

Don't worry pal, we'll, maybe you should!

[hdcantona 9,000]

Game proper summed him up - Made one brilliant save that was really worthy of credit, got praised inexplicably by many for other saves hit right at him from point blank range, and completely hamstrung us overall and heaped pressure on the defence which was already under the kosh from the lack of midfield because he failed to command his box, deal with crosses, and couldn't hit water if he was kicking off a boat with his distribution

Today's game will have people giving him praise when really it showed just how bad he was holding us back - yes the save to prevent 2-0 was incredible, but he was part of the reason we were under so much pressure and losing

You can make the case (much as it sickens me) that he's "earned" the right to see his time out here in some ways but the idea of paying him 200k/week is painful and most worryingly may stop us signing an actual good goalkeeper who does more than a few highlight reel saves

If anyone is reading this and still thinks he isn't a massive problem you've got to consider the bigger picture - it's like replacing Giambi in moneyball, you can more than make up for anything we lose/downgrade shotstopping wise by having a GK who is better at other stuff, and even that shotstopping is hugely overrated at the moment

[Jay007 3,429]

1 hour ago, hdcantona said:

Game proper summed him up - Made one brilliant save that was really worthy of credit, got praised inexplicably by many for other saves hit right at him from point blank range, and completely hamstrung us overall and heaped pressure on the defence which was already under the kosh from the lack of midfield because he failed to command his box, deal with crosses, and couldn't hit water if he was kicking off a boat with his distribution

Today's game will have people giving him praise when really it showed just how bad he was holding us back - yes the save to prevent 2-0 was incredible, but he was part of the reason we were under so much pressure and losing

You can make the case (much as it sickens me) that he's "earned" the right to see his time out here in some ways but the idea of paying him 200k/week is painful and most worryingly may stop us signing an actual good goalkeeper who does more than a few highlight reel saves

If anyone is reading this and still thinks he isn't a massive problem you've got to consider the bigger picture - it's like replacing Giambi in moneyball, you can more than make up for anything we lose/downgrade shotstopping wise by having a GK who is better at other stuff, and even that shotstopping is hugely overrated at the moment

I agree with this. He's had a better season this season than last, but that's damning him with feint praise as it was a low bar to start from.

The only reason I haven't thought getting a GK was a priority was due to how many other areas needed addressed, but it certainly is now a priority when you see how little he's capable of doing to take the pressure off us and to defend on the front foot if you like.

I don't know if you've read Schmeichel's second autobiography, but his thoughts about goalkeeping in the book are worth reading. It's all about a goalkeeper's priority should be to stop goals and not to 'make saves', and he talks about 'proactive vs reactive goalkeeping' (he compares De Gea and Ederson as an example.)

It's not really anything innovative, but to hear it from someone who was a top class goalkeeper should really persuade anyone who isn't imo. The main thing that's interesting about it is that it comes from someone who played a while ago, as goalkeeping probably wasn't thought about like that when he played, at least in punditry/analysis

[Gary 194]

Without Daveed against the Geordies it could've been a other Anfield humiliation,  not that it wasn't humiliating to watch

[hdcantona 9,000]

Now average at shot stopping overall (and that’s rounding up between his near post weakness and the few great reflex saves he’s still capable of) an abysmal cross claimer and footballer, and a cb injury crisis probably going to stop him from undeservedly winning a golden glove in the league

if he had any self respect and respect for us as fans he would leave but he knows nobody out there will come close to even offering him the reduced terms we will

[rezzy 4,678]

I mean, if Butland has hands we should surely be playing him next game. Lindelof/Shaw CB partnership also plz.

[CB78 384]

I’m not sure if it’s De Gea / Macguire / Lindelof or just a horribly toxic combo of them all & how they wrk together that breads a nervous / shambles of a back line  

[1Day 145]

He’s achieved,needs to move on,thank you for a great chapter,with some outstanding saves.

[rezzy 4,678]

2 hours ago, CB78 said:

I’m not sure if it’s De Gea / Macguire / Lindelof or just a horribly toxic combo of them all & how they wrk together that breads a nervous / shambles of a back line  

Lindelof doesnt make me feel uncomfortable. He has shortcomings in areas of his game, but hes not a calamitous mess. 

[hdcantona 9,000]

2 hours ago, CB78 said:

I’m not sure if it’s De Gea / Macguire / Lindelof or just a horribly toxic combo of them all & how they wrk together that breads a nervous / shambles of a back line  

  

14 minutes ago, rezzy said:

Lindelof doesnt make me feel uncomfortable. He has shortcomings in areas of his game, but hes not a calamitous mess. 

but
 

Fun fact - searching for this song on youtube brings up the highlights of tonight's game!

[O 20,624]

@TheManc

 

[Eddie 616]

Like Maguire, another arrogant prick that will believe he's performing much better than everyone else with eyes can see he isn't. Will try and blame everyone else, before looking at himself. 

Said it before, but this idea of keeping de Gea on in a new deal with reduced wages, is just silly. If we sign a new goalkeeper this summer, you know he'll kick up a fuss behind the scenes and cause disruption.

 

 

 

[Jay007 3,429]

It's been obvious he's been declining since 2018, but that's probably one of the worst performances I've seen from him. Considering how bad we were the rest of the players have to take their share of the blame obviously, but his mistake for the first goal set the tone for the game and he was at fault for all 3 of the goals.

We really shouldn't be offering him a new deal. WIth the huge wages he's on and his decline, it's the best opportunity we have of getting him off the books and getting a replacement. He's not going to get back anywhere close to his peak, and he's an expensive no 2.

[hdcantona 9,000]

[TheManc 4,058]

On 21/04/2023 at 09:59, O said:

@TheManc

 

I've been saying DDG out for years!

[Burns92 2,541]

All I can say is that @Mickey Mouse was a prophet.

[O 20,624]

 

 

[O 20,624]

I see some fans are saying he played well today.

Pretty much every save was routine.

The best save of the match was Sánchez's to deny Rashford's heavily deflected effort.

 

[hdcantona 9,000]

4 minutes ago, O said:

I see some fans are saying he played well today.

Pretty much every save was routine.

The best save of the match was Sánchez's to deny Rashford's heavily deflected effort.

 

He put pressure on the takers superbly in that shootout fair play! Absolute trooper!

[Albert Quixall 3,867]

3 minutes ago, hdcantona said:

He put pressure on the takers superbly in that shootout fair play! Absolute trooper!

And they still scored 6. He is absolutely abysmal at saving penalties but Sanchez didn't do so well either so it makes that argument null and void. He has a certain skill set. He's a great shot stopper, has wonderful reflexes, and his reaction time is very fast. All well and good but he doesn't command the area, and his footwork is suspect. How many goalkeeping coaches has he played under at United? I don't know but the weak areas of his game have not improved. Either he doesn't respond well to learning different aspects of the game as it evolves, or the coaches have been crap. A bit simplistic maybe, but DDG 2023 is very much DDG of 2015.

[O 20,624]

11 minutes ago, Albert Quixall said:

And they still scored 6. He is absolutely abysmal at saving penalties but Sanchez didn't do so well either so it makes that argument null and void. He has a certain skill set. He's a great shot stopper, has wonderful reflexes, and his reaction time is very fast. All well and good but he doesn't command the area, and his footwork is suspect. How many goalkeeping coaches has he played under at United? I don't know but the weak areas of his game have not improved. Either he doesn't respond well to learning different aspects of the game as it evolves, or the coaches have been crap. A bit simplistic maybe, but DDG 2023 is very much DDG of 2015.

He at least looked like getting close to one or two of them. He should have saved Sabitzer's.

[O 20,624]

55.3% pass completion

8 long balls completed out of 25.

Very lucky that Lenglet hit the crossbar.

[hdcantona 9,000]

14 hours ago, O said:

55.3% pass completion

8 long balls completed out of 25.

Very lucky that Lenglet hit the crossbar.

He also could've bought a cheap disallowal of the first spurs goal had he run into richarlison, he's not shrewd at all 

[O 20,624]

1 hour ago, hdcantona said:

He also could've bought a cheap disallowal of the first spurs goal had he run into richarlison, he's not shrewd at all 

I think Spurs would have gotten a penalty for Casemiro's push anyway.