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One of very few positives, looked class tbh and just emphasised how shocking ole’s treatment of him was 

Scenes if Ten Hag came in and still didn’t pick him… 😈  

Perhaps the most bizarre thing about Ole's reign tbh.  It would be interesting to know the reasoning behind it, I've previously wondered if he wasn't his signing and so he didn't really give him a cha

Perhaps the most bizarre thing about Ole's reign tbh.  It would be interesting to know the reasoning behind it, I've previously wondered if he wasn't his signing and so he didn't really give him a chance (ala Fergie with Bosnich), but that's only a theory.

I've been keen to see him given a chance at least and we have seen moments from him. I think moving to a 4-3-3 is probably the only way to fit him in, next to Fernandes with one of Fred/Matic/McTominay holding. It would probably leave us a bit exposed defensively considering how weak we are there, but hopefully that would be mitigated by us being better in possession.

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It was amazing that right up until the very end, Donny couldn't catch a break at United under Ole, yet he'll go down as the last goalscorer of his tenure. Ironic. 

He showed more fight & desire in that 2nd half than any other United player. Along with Sancho, they both probably created our best goal-scoring opportunities. 

Even when Ole didn't start Fred, it was Matic who he turned to. It's unbelievable the treatment he got, maybe there is as some truth like mentioned above, that he wasn't Ole's signing. But it was truly incredible how much game-time McTominay & Fred got over him and it wasn't as if they were performing to a high level every week either. 

Maybe Carrick might just appease the United fans by starting him on the next 2 games. 

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7 hours ago, Jay007 said:

Perhaps the most bizarre thing about Ole's reign tbh.  It would be interesting to know the reasoning behind it, I've previously wondered if he wasn't his signing and so he didn't really give him a chance (ala Fergie with Bosnich), but that's only a theory.

I've been keen to see him given a chance at least and we have seen moments from him. I think moving to a 4-3-3 is probably the only way to fit him in, next to Fernandes with one of Fred/Matic/McTominay holding. It would probably leave us a bit exposed defensively considering how weak we are there, but hopefully that would be mitigated by us being better in possession.

Fair enough .

4-3-3 requires the attacking 3 to be very ,very aggressive when the ball is at the opponents . Having in mind the age of Ronaldo and Cavani ,this set up can"t be used for long series of games imo. As You said United will be more exposed . Also I think that 4-3-3 not suits for a team where the playmaker is set behind the striker/strikers and have a free role at the pitch. Both Van de Beek and Fernandes would have more defensively duties and their creativity would be reduced .  As a young player LvG took Xabi in the 1st team of Barcelona ,but under Radomir Antic who reduced his defensive functions,Xabi shined as a creative playmaker and his team saved the season .

Having in mind the age of strikers and the low level of the defenders ,Ole should tried Van de Beek at the flanks . A  creative midfielder with decent finishing abilities in the front  3   in 4-3-3 would benefit the team for some games . Often it happens .

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It's a strange situation. I don't really believe for one second that he's good enough for a top team or that he's any kind of long term solution to our midfield problems but he doesn't even get a kick in. You'd understand it if we had a consistently good midfield, or even a bang average one. But our midfield is shocking week after week and he continues to be sidelined. My only working theory is that without any concrete interest elsewhere, they're just willing to keep him around for another 6 months to see if the new manager wants to do anything with him. 

Personally, I'd be more than happy to keep McTominay as a squad player and get rid of VdB, Matic, Fred and Pogba in the summer and do a complete rebuild of the midfield from the ground up. Not realistic but truthfully it's what we need.

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1 hour ago, SimplyGiggs said:

It's a strange situation. I don't really believe for one second that he's good enough for a top team or that he's any kind of long term solution to our midfield problems but he doesn't even get a kick in. You'd understand it if we had a consistently good midfield, or even a bang average one. But our midfield is shocking week after week and he continues to be sidelined. My only working theory is that without any concrete interest elsewhere, they're just willing to keep him around for another 6 months to see if the new manager wants to do anything with him. 

Personally, I'd be more than happy to keep McTominay as a squad player and get rid of VdB, Matic, Fred and Pogba in the summer and do a complete rebuild of the midfield from the ground up. Not realistic but truthfully it's what we need.

Van de Beek never really took his opportunities. Ole should have done the decent thing and let him go when he wanted to move, instead he lied to the player (and to other players) promising him minutes. Positionally intelligent player, probably our best 'space-inspector' in the midfield area but he's far too slow and without the passing range to make up for it.

I'd agree with the rehaul idea except that I'd keep Fred as a squad player too for a couple more seasons, his shockers have largely come when he's been played in the wrong position. In the box-to-box role he's been decent (and he's left footed).

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9 minutes ago, Alexander said:

Van de Beek never really took his opportunities. Ole should have done the decent thing and let him go when he wanted to move, instead he lied to the player (and to other players) promising him minutes. Positionally intelligent player, probably our best 'space-inspector' in the midfield area but he's far too slow and without the passing range to make up for it.

I'd agree with the rehaul idea except that I'd keep Fred as a squad player too for a couple more seasons, his shockers have largely come when he's been played in the wrong position. In the box-to-box role he's been decent (and he's left footed).

He's never been actually given a chance to show what he can do.

 

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1 hour ago, O said:

He's never been actually given a chance to show what he can do.

 

much like telles and more egregiously Dalot hadn't had a few games to show they could at least do as well as the other crap out there, donny needs a run of games - we have nothing to lose from playing him a bit, and potentially a lot to gain

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2 hours ago, hdcantona said:

much like telles and more egregiously Dalot hadn't had a few games to show they could at least do as well as the other crap out there, donny needs a run of games - we have nothing to lose from playing him a bit, and potentially a lot to gain

I don’t think he’s the potential game changer some on here seem to think but I’m all for giving DVB a run, specially when current midfield is mush 

but can’t be a coincidence that’s 2 managers are so reluctant to play? 

Ralf has rotated a fair bit & still no DVB-  He can’t be showing enough in training 

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3 hours ago, Alexander said:

Van de Beek never really took his opportunities. Ole should have done the decent thing and let him go when he wanted to move, instead he lied to the player (and to other players) promising him minutes. Positionally intelligent player, probably our best 'space-inspector' in the midfield area but he's far too slow and without the passing range to make up for it.

I'd agree with the rehaul idea except that I'd keep Fred as a squad player too for a couple more seasons, his shockers have largely come when he's been played in the wrong position. In the box-to-box role he's been decent (and he's left footed).

I don't recall VdB ever shining during his cameos but you can't say he's had the opportunities, never mind not taken them. Again, I am far from convinced he's a solution to any problem but the midfield cannot consistently perform so badly and he never gets a look in. It doesn't make any sense.

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I've wanted him to get more games as well, but the fact that a new manager has come in and he still isn't getting time does concern me a little bit.

It may just be that he's not the type of player Rangnick rates or he doesn't think he fits into his system, but the fact he still hasn't been given a chance no matter how poorly we've performed is a bit odd.

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If I'm a manager and I'm watching a football player struggle in training, I am not going to give him a run of games.  He has not played much, but the little he has played he's been too slow, and that's not like bad decision-making, or a lack of strength, it's not something you can improve. 

It was the same with Sanchez, I knew from the first few glimpses that he was shot, and the little that I watch of Real Madrid: Hazard is the same, barring a Giggs-like adaptation, he's finished. Van De Beek does not need to be at that  level, but he's often late, really struggling to close people down, and you can tell he's putting a shift in which is why I really wanted him to make it, but when he's started games he's hasn't really shown any evidence that the coaches are wrong.

To be fair, Jorginho and Gundogan do make up for physical shortcomings but the tactical setup favors them. It's just not fair to rob Van De Beek of the prime years of his career on the off-chance that everything comes together for him. It probably won't.

Ole should have let him leave.

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On 18/01/2022 at 08:38, Jay007 said:

I've wanted him to get more games as well, but the fact that a new manager has come in and he still isn't getting time does concern me a little bit.

It may just be that he's not the type of player Rangnick rates or he doesn't think he fits into his system, but the fact he still hasn't been given a chance no matter how poorly we've performed is a bit odd.

I'm still totally baffled as to what type of player RR rates ' ideal ' to fit into his system?

And just what system he wants his team to play???

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