Newcastle United - Sleeping Giant about to wake up?

[O 20,759]

The Geordies have always had a fanatical fanbase. Yet have been a yoyo club with very little consistency post Sir Bobby Robson, and even then they couldn't win much under Sir Bobby and Kevin Keegan before him.

But with this recent rumoured Saudi takeover, things could be about to change.

Pochettino has been linked with the club. They are apparently willing to pay him £19 million a year.

They were already starting to spend more in the past year or two. Almirón, Saint-Maximin and Joelinton cost close to £100 million between them.

So they'll definitely be throwing the money around if the takeover goes through. Another obstacle in the way of United reaching the top again.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by O

[Deez Nutz 379]

I hate the way Sports journalists go on about the Hotbed of football and how the fans deserve this and that, like a special needs teacher bigging up a scroat, fuck em, they'll win something when the deserve to win it.

Wimbledon an extinct club have won my trophies in the modern era, but you're probably right about expenditure, let's see if their billionaire can buy some trophies.

 

[TheManc 4,063]

Bit of a disaster for us, especially if/when Leeds get taken over as well which has been long linked. 

[O 20,759]

16 minutes ago, TheManc said:

Bit of a disaster for us, especially if/when Leeds get taken over as well which has been long linked. 

If FFP worked, it wouldn't be an issue.

Very tough league moving forward. 9 teams competing for 4 places in Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Everton, Leicester, Newcastle, Spurs, United and Wolves.

Potentially a late 90's Serie A type league. 10 if Leeds got the investment.

[aardvarked 11,030]

Shame they couldn't find literally any other option besides criminal Saudi royalty

[O 20,759]

15 minutes ago, aardvarked said:

Shame they couldn't find literally any other option besides criminal Saudi royalty

UAE vs Saudi Arabia is the new Tyson vs Lewis.

[John Locke 1,215]

3 hours ago, TheManc said:

Bit of a disaster for us, especially if/when Leeds get taken over as well which has been long linked. 

Happened before with newcastle though hasn't it. In the late 90s they were the big spenders before returning to their righful place in the pecking order. 

[O 20,759]

29 minutes ago, John Locke said:

Happened before with newcastle though hasn't it. In the late 90s they were the big spenders before returning to their righful place in the pecking order. 

This is a different level of financial backing. They can rival City's backing.

[John Locke 1,215]

13 hours ago, O said:

This is a different level of financial backing. They can rival City's backing.

City have come a cropper over ffp and their squad has now reached its peak. They can't expand because they dont have the fanbase. For Newcastle it'll be the same. 

[O 20,759]

1 hour ago, John Locke said:

City have come a cropper over ffp and their squad has now reached its peak. They can't expand because they dont have the fanbase. For Newcastle it'll be the same. 

FFP is not working and they are going to scrap it soon.

City, like Chelsea, will grow more if they win a Champions League.

Chelsea are now a fully functioning business without Abramovich needing to back them. One of the top clubs in Europe. And City will be like that too before long. All they need is that elusive CL.

[TheManc 4,063]

Even if FFP is firm, Newcastle should be able to spend large amounts in the next window because they've spent virtually nothing for the last few seasons. 

The reality is there is nothing stopping them from becoming a top tier PL team now. The media will lap it up much more than they did with City because Newcastle have always been media-darlings.

4 hours ago, John Locke said:

City have come a cropper over ffp and their squad has now reached its peak. They can't expand because they dont have the fanbase. For Newcastle it'll be the same. 

They came a cropper because of rules they broke years ago, not today. Newcastle will be fine. They'll just find huge Saudi sponsorships. City will rebuild with the same spending they did a few years ago.

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by TheManc

[John Locke 1,215]

2 hours ago, O said:

FFP is not working and they are going to scrap it soon.

City, like Chelsea, will grow more if they win a Champions League.

Chelsea are now a fully functioning business without Abramovich needing to back them. One of the top clubs in Europe. And City will be like that too before long. All they need is that elusive CL.

They weren't terrible before abramovich to be fair. Around 2000 they were playing in the champions league and were more or less at the level they're at now. 

5 minutes ago, TheManc said:

 

They came a cropper because of rules they broke years ago, not today. Newcastle will be fine. They'll just find huge Saudi sponsorships. City will rebuild with the same spending they did a few years ago.

 

Easier said than done. There are many clubs sniffing around for the best players. It also requires a good transfer policy and the right coach. 

[O 20,759]

1 minute ago, TheManc said:

Even if FFP is firm, Newcastle should be able to spend large amounts in the next window because they've spent virtually nothing for the last few seasons. 

You can only spend a percentage of what your club earns, is how it's supposed to work.

If Newcastle don't have a turnover of £350 million, then they can't spend that amount on players.

And like I said, they have spent a good amount on Almirón, Saint-Maximin and Joelinton. Loan fee and wages for Bentaleb too. That's around £100 million. They made £30 million from the sale of Ayoze Pérez.

2 minutes ago, John Locke said:

They weren't terrible before abramovich to be fair. Around 2000 they were playing in the champions league and were more or less at the level they're at now. 

Are you taking the piss? They are supported by people around the world now, and have won dozens of trophies post 2003. They were a decent cup side before that. But it's on another level now. Regularly competing for the league and reaching European finals. And Abramovich doesn't bankroll all the transfers anymore. He doesn't have to. Best Academy in England since 2003. And about to fully utilise it under Lampard.

[TheManc 4,063]

2 minutes ago, John Locke said:

They weren't terrible before abramovich to be fair. Around 2000 they were playing in the champions league and were more or less at the level they're at now. 

Easier said than done. There are many clubs sniffing around for the best players. It also requires a good transfer policy and the right coach. 

Sure, but looking at how the Saudi's are doing other sporting events, it's clear that they are very intelligent. I don't think they'll be idiots throwing money around forever. Plus, even if they will be more restricted than we are with FFP, they will probably maximise their output because they don't care for profits. We will never spend what we are physically able to according to the FFP.

 

2 minutes ago, O said:

You can only spend a percentage of what your club earns, is how it's supposed to work.

If Newcastle don't have a turnover of £350 million, then they can't spend that amount on players.

And like I said, they have spent a good amount on Almirón, Saint-Maximin and Joelinton. Loan fee and wages for Bentaleb too. That's around £100 million. They made £30 million from the sale of Ayoze Pérez.

Are you taking the piss? They are supported by people around the world now, and have won dozens of trophies post 2003. They were a decent cup side before that. But it's on another level now. Regularly competing for the league and reaching European finals. And Abramovich doesn't bankroll all the transfers anymore. He doesn't have to. Best Academy in England since 2003. And about to fully utilise it under Lampard.

They're about to double their turnover tbh. Stadium name, shirt sponsorship, whatever else they have....they'll be fine. It's hard to put a timeline on it due to competition but it's probably a 5 year plan to be a major threat. 

[John Locke 1,215]

1 hour ago, O said:

Are you taking the piss? They are supported by people around the world now, and have won dozens of trophies post 2003. They were a decent cup side before that. But it's on another level now. Regularly competing for the league and reaching European finals. And Abramovich doesn't bankroll all the transfers anymore. He doesn't have to. Best Academy in England since 2003. And about to fully utilise it under Lampard.

I'm not talking about their record in between I'm talking about now. Their last league title was 3 seasons ago. Yes the have a potentially good squad but compared to 99 when they also finished third i don't see a gulf in class. Best academy is meaningless. It doesn't always translate to success. 

[O 20,759]

1 hour ago, John Locke said:

I'm not talking about their record in between I'm talking about now. Their last league title was 3 seasons ago. Yes the have a potentially good squad but compared to 99 when they also finished third i don't see a gulf in class. Best academy is meaningless. It doesn't always translate to success. 

Chelsea, as a football club, are in a much stronger position now than in 1999. In every aspect. That is not debatable.

The club has been transformed by the new ownership. That is something you are trying to deflect from. Every club is entitled to a period of transition after success. They were in a League Cup final last season and won The Europa League. A good platform to build on.

Newcastle will become a bigger club over time if this takeover goes through. That is a fact. They aren't owners with a few million and looking to soley profit. They are mult-billionaires.

You get bad takeovers like QPR, Blackburn, etc. This would be a huge threat to even City's owners.

Wolves have shown what can be done with a much smaller budget than what Newcastle could have under Saudi ownership.

Like City in 2008, the squad will improve season by season until they are a threat to the top 4.

[TheManc 4,063]

Chelsea are probably more popular than Arsenal now. They're a major club by every measurement. It doesn't take long to gain a proper following. Even City have developed a good following which will be more apparent in 5-10 years as the kids up and down the country wearing KDB, Aguero and Sterling shirts become teens and adults. 

10 years ago in Portsmouth it was them first, followed by Arsenal > United > Liverpool > Chelsea. Now I reckon Chelsea are the 2nd most popular and there are tons of kids in City shirts as well, usually KDB. I noticed last Summer when some local team had social day with all of the age groups present and about 100 kids on a multi-pitch park, that there were easily more City shirts than United with the kids. 

 

 

[St!mpy 1,251]

On 30/04/2020 at 19:09, John Locke said:

I'm not talking about their record in between I'm talking about now. Their last league title was 3 seasons ago. Yes the have a potentially good squad but compared to 99 when they also finished third i don't see a gulf in class. Best academy is meaningless. It doesn't always translate to success. 

Give it up, it's the argument that will never end, that spending equates to winning, and as you've pointed out here:

On 30/04/2020 at 17:12, John Locke said:

They weren't terrible before abramovich to be fair. Around 2000 they were playing in the champions league and were more or less at the level they're at now. 

Easier said than done. There are many clubs sniffing around for the best players. It also requires a good transfer policy and the right coach. 

That's what it is. I think what City did after their takeover is a thing of the past. Villa spent 100 million and could still be relegated. Their fans are mixed about the takeover as well.

Edited May 22, 2020 by St!mpy

[O 20,759]

6 hours ago, St!mpy said:

Give it up, it's the argument that will never end, that spending equates to winning, and as you've pointed out here:

That's what it is. I think what City did after their takeover is a thing of the past. Villa spent 100 million and could still be relegated. Their fans are mixed about the takeover as well.

100 million wasn't a lot in 2019.

[O 20,759]

This is heating up again.

[TheManc 4,063]

It's going to go through. Disastrous news for us really. Next up with be someone else...probably Leeds or Villa. 

 

[Mickey Mouse 1,121]

Why isn't here massive protest up and down England over this ? Are English so limp that they will allow anyone to own football club?

English football slogan should be: We the people of England are too limp to play for our clubs, to limp to manage our clubs, and to limp to own our clubs, we might murder you if you disgree.

Edited October 9, 2021 by Mickey Mouse

[Deez Nutz 379]

Fuck NUFC, hope it all goes wrong and they continue to be shit. 

[nirav 1,166]

If they do not buy fred and martial from us for 100 million then they are still a poor club. Whole point of being a rich club is to waste silly money on average players and distribute wealth.

[TFIA 15,140]

They're now the richest club in football by a lot. They have like 10x the money that City do so let that sink in.

Their first job will be to get the self sponsorships sorted so they can get by FFP, a fake income to allow them to spend like crazy. It's a matter of time before they start competing for trophies. The Premier League will love this - Just another competitor in a league filled with them. No doubt the Saudi's will invest a lot into the City and we'll hear about all the positive work they've done. Meanwhile Newcastle will wear the pro-LGBT armbands unironically and we'll pretend everything is normal. Truly dystopian stuff. 

Edited October 8, 2021 by TFIA