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Paul Pogba 2019/20

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12 hours ago, Thekeanefella said:

its definitely time to get rid , Riola is a fucking cancer , the club should never do business with the cunt again.

€150m hard cash , no swap deals or letting him go on the cheap , it's time the club took control of these situations.

It's all part of the modern game..agents that is. The bottom line is we've dropped way behind the big teams and when that happens high profile players want out. We should bemoan the state of our club rather than blaming it on one player. If he can help us to a better league position between now and june i dont care if he wants out.

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48 minutes ago, John Locke said:

It's all part of the modern game..agents that is. The bottom line is we've dropped way behind the big teams and when that happens high profile players want out. We should bemoan the state of our club rather than blaming it on one player. If he can help us to a better league position between now and june i dont care if he wants out.

So called ,,high profile " players are getting insane money for doing nothing. Some kids create a lot more and thier parents are in debts to allow them to compete at high level and enjoy the game. This also is a part of the ,,modern" football life somewhere which I know very well and experience on my back since involved .  

So my friend ,I don't give a fuck for cunts like them believe me.  

Some people are saying that Pogba and his agent are viruses. No,they are symptoms of everything bad around. The football life was already infected . If Pogba is a man ,as You said ,he must play . The word ,,help" is not the one I want to use. He must take his responsibility and perform at highest motivation and level. i am trying to say that he must work as a pro if he is a pro of this club. 

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We've already replaced him. I said in the summer that the conflicting Fernandes reports were because it was dependent on whether Madrid would pay up. Both them and Juve shouldn't go over €70m and call our bluff. We have to sell and get the cancer out of the club.

It's concerning that we've probably invested his money already. Anyone expecting a huge shift in the austerity policy of last summer will be disappointed. Huge pressure in finding the right players. Grealish is a can't miss but we'll probably act stingy and he'll go to City or Chelsea. Sancho wont come. 

Dark days ahead.

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24 minutes ago, St!mpy said:

Missed this, anything worthwhile said? 

Just came here to share the clip. Worth a listen just to hear him wriggle his way out of his shit posting. But ultimately, his narrative is just 'Paul wants to be here, we'll talk at the end of the season'. 

https://talksport.com/football/670805/mino-raiola-exclusive-paul-pogba-agent-man-utd-solskjaer-gary-neville-simon-jordan-talksport/

Transcript:

Spoiler

 

“The outcome was good for Man United [vs Chelsea[ so maybe I should do it more often,” began Raiola.

“In all seriousness, I thought what Solskjaer said was out of line. He took parts of sentences of an interview of mine, and acted a little bit offended that I was offering Paul Pogba to other clubs without permission.

“If you read the whole interview I was asked if Paul would fancy Italy, and I said Italy is a second home, but that is not the case now as he is concentrated on Manchester United and getting back in the team as soon as possible and to make a great end of the season.”

Quizzed on Solskjaer’s remark of ‘Paul is our player and not Mino’s’, Raiola continued: “I’ve never said he is mine, but that doesn’t mean if I’m being asked something I cannot answer.

“The question was ‘would he like Italy?’ – what has that got to do with being Manchester United’s player. And saying that you are Manchester United’s player – are you owned by the club?

“I have been asked if he likes Italy, and I am answering as Mino Raiola; am I not allowed to do that?

“Am I not allowed to talk to you about things? Am I not allowed to talk about players I represent because they are owned by Manchester United, or Juventus, or Barcelona, or whatever other clubs there are in the world.

“It’s a very strange thing to say as a journalist as the only thing you journalists do is talk about players and how they move and don’t move.

“Ole said he is owned by Manchester United as if somebody cannot have an opinion on a player, and that is what I took as an offence.

“I really think this is a strange way of questioning; I was not talking about Pogba in relation to Italy, I was asked something by an Italian journalist if Paul Pogba likes Italy. That was it.

Ole said he is owned by Manchester United and I have a principal problem with that; he is an employee, he is not owned by Manchester United. And being employee doesn’t mean I cannot have an opinion or say something I want to say.

“I have never spoken about Ole in the papers or the press, he always speaks about me. Whether it is about [Erling] Haaland, or Pogba’s injury, or Pogba’s surgery, he is always talking about me – I’m not talking about him.

“I have a right to have an opinion, and I have a right to represent my players in the way I want and if that does not suit you that is your problem!

“The only thing I’m interested in is my players and they are happy to be represented that way.”

Raiola’s social media outburst led to criticism from others linked with the Red Devils, including former defender and club legend Gary Neville.

He accused the agent of ‘messing United around for years’ and said now is the time for the club to cut ties with him.

Raiola’s response to this?

“Oh does he [think that]? Gary Neville has such a big know-how of football I’m surprised his Salford City are not in the Premier League already.

“He should be on the board of directors for United or maybe ask for a job.

“I don’t care what Gary Neville says.

“I have no division with Manchester United, but Ole has smacked out at me on another two occasions – but that is up to him.

“In my opinion his comments about an article which actually says Paul is committed to Manchester United until the European Championship were taken out of context. And that is what I wanted to point out.

“I think this whole discussion is being taken to a level at which it shouldn’t be.”

Ex-Crystal Palace chief Jordan then got involved, and so began a row over Raiola ‘creating a culture of division’ as a way to play puppet-master with the players he represents.

Jordan: Mino, I’m listening to you and I’m trying to understand… you made an observation about journalists talking about players moving and that it’s a centre of attention, but journalist don’t move players, agents move players…

Raiola: I don’t think agents move players.

Jordan: Of course you do Mino, that’s what you do, that’s your modus operandi, that’s how you get paid. You move players.

Raiola: No, that’s not what we do. I represent players, that’s different from moving them. To move a player, if you’re right that players are owned by clubs, then I cannot move a player without permission from the club.

Jordan: But you can create division, can’t you. You create a culture of division. If you create a culture, both you and the player, that a player doesn’t want to be at this club anymore then there is really only one transaction: when he goes, how much you get paid and how much he gets paid.

Raiola: Listen Mr Jordan, that’s the case here. It’s not a question of Paul wanting to move, Paul is only committed to Manchester United and the European Championship. After that we will sit down with the club and see what the club wants.Jordan: But why is ‘no comment’ not the better comment?

Raiola: Yeah, but what is the matter if I have a comment to make?Jordan: Because it’s not about you Mino! It’s about the player and Man United. You’re incidental; you only work for the player.Raiola: I agree, I agree, it’s not about me.Jordan: But you tweeted, Mino. You tweeted at a very divisive time. Why is it about you? Why are you making it about you?

Raiola: No, no, no, no, no.Jordan: You are! You put a tweet out that is inflammatory, you know it’s inflammatory, you are hitting back becasur you want to make a point If a player wants to make a point, he makes that point. So why does he need you to put a tweet out about what Solskjaer said? Why are you getting involved? Why are you inserting yourself in the centre of this?

Raiola: Because it was about me, Mr Jordan, it was not about Paul.

Jordan: No, it’s about Man United asserting their right having paid £90m for a player – of which you got a lot of, that’s the business you’re in and whether I like that or not is incidental -but they’ve paid for that right. You haven’t earned that right, you get paid by the player, so why are you able to comment on the business of Man United? I don’t understand it Mino, I don’t understand what you’re trying to create. You’re not creating a happy culture, you’re creating a divided one.

Raiola: I don’t agree. I don’t create any culture over the last years. But I don’t need to defend myself here, the only need to explain it to is my player.

Jordan: In the long game you guys will do, because if FIFA get a hold of you guys and start regulating you properly…

Raiola: There is no problem of being regulated here Mr Jordan, I think you are now mixing up things.

Jordan: No, you should be regulated, you should be capped on your fees and you could contribute financially to the wellbeing of football, there’s a bigger picture here.

Raiola: That’s your opinion.Jordan: Well it’s a good opinion and it’s the opinion of most people who are sensible, not you guys, you and Jonathan Barnett and whoever else.

Raiola: Well, Mr Jordan, maybe everything should be capped, maybe transfers should be capped, maybe sponsor money should be capped, but we live in a free society, we live in a capitalist world, we don’t live in a communist world.And by the way, Mr Jordan, saying a club can pay £90m for a player’s services is not correct, the club pays £90m as an amenity to break a contract. That’s the transfer. They don’t buy a player, they don’t buy a human being…

Jordan: Oh you’re being pedantic! Man United have every right, if you pay for something you have a sense of entitlement over it and in that contract period, in the four years they have him they are able to say he is there’s.

Raiola: So in your businesses you own your employees? They are owned by you?

Jordan: This is very different, I don’t pay £90m to buy an employee! Don’t be absurd! In the business of football he’s an asset. He’s a paid-for asset of the club.

Jim White: A relevant question here is Man United fans want to know why it seems you and Pogba don’t respect Man United as you should.

Raiola: Those are your words Jim. There is absolutely no way of me or Pogba not Man United. They are your words and they are not correct, Jim.

Pogba’s future also came up in the interview and Raiola once again insisted the midfielder is committed to United – but only until the end of the Euro 2020 this summer.

“United fans should read the whole interview,” he continued. “He is only committed to Manchester United until after the European Championship.

“The only focus there is is to get back as soon as possible into the team to help the team, and to make a good end of the season for Manchester United.

“That is what I said in Italy and that is what I am saying here.

“I am not trying to embarrass the club and I do not see where I offended them; I have not offended Manchester United, their owners or their fans in any way.

“He is committed to Manchester United amd only Manchester United until the European Championship this year, and then we will talk to the club if necessary.

“That is what I said in Italy and that is what I say here – and all the rest is a bunch of bulls***.”

And to end things, Raiola was asked if the ongoing feud between himself and Manchester United would stop him ever working with Red Devils players again?

“Why not? If the United players want to be represented by me, why not?”

 

 

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SSN have an interview with him to, interesting that he is interviewed twice in a day straight after the comments he made, why is he choosing to be in the spotlight enough was done with the comments alone. 

I would say Pogba is going in the summer for sure but it's on our terms and not his, he will have forced our hand indeed but we will have the final say. I would still have him in the team for the remainder of the season and to be honest I would sit down with him now and say if you want to go that's fine we will let you go to end this farce distracting players and the club from their ultimate goals. 

In terms of Raiola going forward I've looked at his clients there is nobody we would likely want to sign under current club culture so I would let it be known we won't be dealing with him again. 

Thoughts on Raiola comments coming just before the game and JLingard not being on the bench? Possible we are punishing Jesse for choosing to being represented by him? I know he's not been any good but interesting how far from Grace he has fallen. 

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Basically came into the thread to say that we should get rid of him in the summer and never deal with Riaola again, but most people have already covered it.  However talented he may be, I'm glad we didn't manage to sign Haaland - it's not worth the hassle.

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Mino did some serious backtracking with an interview with Sky today then after his interview Talksport and talked about Pogba possibly even signing a new contract and that they'll sit down with the club and discusss things at the end of the season. Wonder did Pogba tell him to rein it in a little bit or is it just a case of keeping his options open incase no clubs come in with an acceptable offer just like the Summer just gone. Also said he has no problem with Ole and will call him to sort this "feud" out. All a bit strange.

IMO I think Pogba wants to leave but doesn't want it to come an all out war with the club either and the latest comments before a big game and the backlash to them comments probably lead him to tell him to cool it a little bit so he can leave on decent terms rather then seen as a cunt who forced his way out and disrespected the club

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16 hours ago, Canto said:

Mino did some serious backtracking with an interview with Sky today then after his interview Talksport and talked about Pogba possibly even signing a new contract and that they'll sit down with the club and discusss things at the end of the season. Wonder did Pogba tell him to rein it in a little bit or is it just a case of keeping his options open incase no clubs come in with an acceptable offer just like the Summer just gone. Also said he has no problem with Ole and will call him to sort this "feud" out. All a bit strange.

IMO I think Pogba wants to leave but doesn't want it to come an all out war with the club either and the latest comments before a big game and the backlash to them comments probably lead him to tell him to cool it a little bit so he can leave on decent terms rather then seen as a cunt who forced his way out and disrespected the club

Saw an article suggesting that Mino is panicking as there is currently no club who can afford Pogba. No payout for Mino then, could be something in that. Would explain the ridiculous figures currently doing the rounds of €50 million. 

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30 minutes ago, St!mpy said:

Saw an article suggesting that Mino is panicking as there is currently no club who can afford Pogba. No payout for Mino then, could be something in that. Would explain the ridiculous figures currently doing the rounds of €50 million. 

He'll still earn like £20m regardless of the fee. 

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5 hours ago, St!mpy said:

Saw an article suggesting that Mino is panicking as there is currently no club who can afford Pogba. No payout for Mino then, could be something in that. Would explain the ridiculous figures currently doing the rounds of €50 million. 

We cannot keep him under any circumstances.

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On 18/02/2020 at 08:49, TFIA said:

It's concerning that we've probably invested his money already. Anyone expecting a huge shift in the austerity policy of last summer will be disappointed. Huge pressure in finding the right players. Grealish is a can't miss but we'll probably act stingy and he'll go to City or Chelsea. Sancho wont come. 

Dark days ahead.

If Ole leaves and Pochettino or Allegri takes over, we'll stand a better chance of signing names but even so, there's still Woodward to consider.

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On 18/02/2020 at 19:42, Cole said:

So Sir Alex was right all along to get rid of him back in 2012 and no wonder. 

We’ll be far better off without those two involved in the club. The sooner they both fuck off, the better. 

Exactly why we should not have brought him back.. 

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At the time it was a good signing on the understanding that we would very quickly build ourselves back up to be a top team. Even the eventual drama that was to come when he'd want to move to barca/Madrid would have been worth it if he left us as we were at the top.

Obviously in hindsight it's been a big mistake. 

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20 minutes ago, TheManc said:

At the time it was a good signing on the understanding that we would very quickly build ourselves back up to be a top team. Even the eventual drama that was to come when he'd want to move to barca/Madrid would have been worth it if he left us as we were at the top.

Obviously in hindsight it's been a big mistake. 

Neither side lived up to expectations. 

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He was sold a dream of rebuilds and being the main man taking the new United forward with quality around him.

But it didnt happen.  But Smalling, Jones, Young, Lingard and Mata all got contract extentions. And then forced him to stay last summer when a move had been promised.  And at the end of the transfer window sold our two strikers and replaced them with a right back and a centre half.

All this literally days after Ole made Pogba his main man.   So who was telling all the porky pies?   Was anybody actually telling any lies?   Or was it that we genuinely did not have a clue what the fuck we was doing?🤣

https://www.skysports.com/app/transfer/news/12691/11764338/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-wants-to-build-around-paul-pogba-at-manchester-united

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