Mason Greenwood

[PVAD 4,461]

Wonder what United will do?

Will the board take the decision on face value because irrespective of what "you" may think he is judged as being innocent in law. 

Contracted until 2025/26 so it's a huge call for the club. A lot will depend on what Ten Hag thinks. 

Edited February 2 by PVAD

[O 20,435]

3 minutes ago, PVAD said:

Wonder what United will do?

Will the board take the decision on face value because irrespective of what "you" may think he is judged as being innocent in law. 

Contracted until 2025/26 so it's a huge call for the club. A lot will depend on what Ten Hag thinks. 

ten Hag's best friend is Marc Overmars who is a sex pest. He wanted United to sign Arnautović, only for the club to pull out of it due to backlash online. He continued to play Quincy Promes after stabbing allegations.

Greenwood will probably be made captain.

Also, he hasn't been proven innocent. They just don't have enough evidence to proceed. They never claimed he was innocent.

[rezzy 4,640]

What a weird scenario.

She gets back with him after he assaults/rapes her.

He gets back with her after she outs him to the public as being a scumbag. Ending his career (hopefully).

 

Thats such a strong relationship right there, I'm sure now that the case has been dropped im sure they'll both live happily ever after. At least for a few months more..

 

Club need to check all legal avenues, and if theres no way we can terminate the contract, we buy him out and let him go. Cant accept him back. 

[CB78 347]

Mixed feelings on it; 

on one hand, if guilty career shud be over & deserves everything he gets 

on the other, I don’t believe in people being made guilty via social media 

court/CPS decisions should at least count for something or the whole system’s fck’d 

[PVAD 4,461]

1 hour ago, O said:

ten Hag's best friend is Marc Overmars who is a sex pest. He wanted United to sign Arnautović, only for the club to pull out of it due to backlash online. He continued to play Quincy Promes after stabbing allegations.

Greenwood will probably be made captain.

Also, he hasn't been proven innocent. They just don't have enough evidence to proceed. They never claimed he was innocent.

Wouldn't surprise me if they take this one on the face and keep him on.

Ten Hag backed Overmars over the text messages and another Dutch broadcaster for sexual assault so if it his sole decision then I'd say he'll be back next season based on his past thoughts on this type of behaviour.

[John Locke 1,162]

It is hard for the club to not take him back if he has not been prosecuted by the law. If utd get rid of him then it'll seen as the club not respecting the legal outcome. If they keep him then they will be seen as turning a blind eye to someone who many believe has committed abuse against women. 

Personally i think it should never get to this point. If such charges are made then there has to be a thorough court case because in these circumstances the accused ends up looking like they're guilty especially if it's a high profile figure.

[Gary 168]

Yeah, by the legalities of it, he's not guilty. When you go over the case and see what was said by those closest to the whole scenario it's nearly impossible to think of him as " innocent " of all allegations. In the Court of Morality, the wee bastard is as guilty as hell .Hope Utd buy out his contract and send him packing. He'll probably end up in Saudi where he'll be congratulated for his actions. A team-mate of Cunt R7.

[O 20,435]

55 minutes ago, CB78 said:

Mixed feelings on it; 

on one hand, if guilty career shud be over & deserves everything he gets 

on the other, I don’t believe in people being made guilty via social media 

court/CPS decisions should at least count for something or the whole system’s fck’d 

The CPS have done all they can. If she doesn't want to be a witness, the entire case crumbles. 

I already stopped caring about United anyway, so it doesn't really bother me. It's just another reason to dislike the club if they let him play.

 

 

[hdcantona 8,731]

Quite sickening tbh - bit of a rock and hard place situation for the club but they have to do the right thing and let him go IMO 

Would find it nigh on impossible as a fan to feel good seeing him in the shirt after seeing the pictures and hearing the audio recordings, also I'm speculating but it *screams* abusive relationship 

Someone on reddit mentioned Ray Rice (NFL player who knocked his gf out in a lift then dragged her limp body away, all caught on cctv) is now 'happily married' to her... and Greenwood is now engaged to the girl involved with this, such a shame as he was such a good player too - this reminds me of when the Kevin Spacey stuff came out while I was a huge fan of House of Cards...

To try and play devil's advocate the only remotely 'optimistic' thing you could say is he's technically not guilty of anything, and maybe he's an exception to the general rule and perhaps the type of stuff suggested by the images and audio out there is in his past since then, maybe he's sought help, turned over a new leaf and is now a model partner... but I think that's about as likely DDG suddenly becoming a ball playing CB...

It's hard to look past the cynical view that the woman involved has been coerced either by him and/or her dad due to his relative wealth / status and potential future earnings (or even just pure control) but I suppose it's not really our place to speculate on that

I think the bridge has been burned with enough people that he's a PR disaster for whoever is looking to sign him if we do let him go and as sad as it is that's probably more likely to stop clubs taking him on than the moral question 

 

[aardvarked 11,010]

3 hours ago, rezzy said:

What a weird scenario.

She gets back with him after he assaults/rapes her.

He gets back with her after she outs him to the public as being a scumbag. Ending his career (hopefully).

 

Thats such a strong relationship right there, I'm sure now that the case has been dropped im sure they'll both live happily ever after. At least for a few months more..

 

Club need to check all legal avenues, and if theres no way we can terminate the contract, we buy him out and let him go. Cant accept him back. 

Not unusual for abuse victims, sadly. 

I also wouldn't be surprised at all if Greenwood is getting back together with her to give him more chance of salvaging a career. 

[Eddie 607]

I had a feeling for awhile now, that this would happen & the case would fall apart. 

It was rumoured awhile back that they were still in a relationship together, so obviously then it was such a difficult case for the prosecution team to move ahead.

The club will look into all the legal options for the next while I'm sure, so we might not get clarity on his future at United for another while.

Ultimately, I just cannot see a situation where he ends up playing for United ever again.

 

[CB78 347]

Be interesting what the outcome is 

I think UTD will cut ties but will be mainly based on PR / Brand reputation / backlash etc - I.e. actual real morals will come 2nd 

Speculating on what did & didn’t happen/relationship status/background info/new evidence/rumours/why it’s been dropped etc etc is a fools game for me 

Hard/impossible to know without having knowledge of all the facts & evidence 

 

[TFIA 14,993]

4 hours ago, CB78 said:

Mixed feelings on it; 

on one hand, if guilty career shud be over & deserves everything he gets 

on the other, I don’t believe in people being made guilty via social media 

court/CPS decisions should at least count for something or the whole system’s fck’d 

He's not guilty by social media. He's guilty via the evidence we seen with our eyes.

The only reason he isn't going to prison is because Harriet doesn't want it. The crimes were committed. If they hadn't been they'd have all let us know by now. 

[rezzy 4,640]

3 hours ago, aardvarked said:

Not unusual for abuse victims, sadly. 

I also wouldn't be surprised at all if Greenwood is getting back together with her to give him more chance of salvaging a career. 

My thought was he's getting back with her to first get himself out of this case. Once its done, i doubt he'll stick with her long term. Whether he can salvage a career or not.

[CB78 347]

8 hours ago, TFIA said:

He's not guilty by social media. He's guilty via the evidence we seen with our eyes.

The only reason he isn't going to prison is because Harriet doesn't want it. The crimes were committed. If they hadn't been they'd have all let us know by now. 

for sure there's a sh*t load of evidence against the guy - not questioning that, 

But all of that has come via social media in one form or another?   

Court case (should've) given all the fact social media & other/all sides of events etc etc. then guilty or not?  It took them months to charge him?  That would suggest to me (but I'm not an expert) it was more complex than it first looked?

Dropped now, could be pressure/pay off of some sort on main witnesses?  Or maybe not?  Maybe the further evidence that came to light was in Greenwood's favour?  Maybe there's more to it?   All you can do is speculate?

You'd hope we had a justice system that could properly work all of that out/proper justice etc?   I would just like to know all facts before properly judging 

But maybe I'm just naïve & the system is fck'd!    Either  way I can't see him playing for UTD again

[TFIA 14,993]

3 hours ago, CB78 said:

for sure there's a sh*t load of evidence against the guy - not questioning that, 

But all of that has come via social media in one form or another?   

Court case (should've) given all the fact social media & other/all sides of events etc etc. then guilty or not?  It took them months to charge him?  That would suggest to me (but I'm not an expert) it was more complex than it first looked?

Dropped now, could be pressure/pay off of some sort on main witnesses?  Or maybe not?  Maybe the further evidence that came to light was in Greenwood's favour?  Maybe there's more to it?   All you can do is speculate?

You'd hope we had a justice system that could properly work all of that out/proper justice etc?   I would just like to know all facts before properly judging 

But maybe I'm just naïve & the system is fck'd!    Either  way I can't see him playing for UTD again

It is really not more complex than it looks - It's just that the will of the accuser has changed.

I've no doubt they've co-opted to tell authorities that actually there was more to it, that there was mutual fighting, that cuts/bruises were sustained elsewhere, bdsm etc. Whatever could be said to legally crush the case.

The reality is if those images and audio were anything but what they appeared then Greenwood and his legal team would have instantly said as much before he was roundly condemned in the public sphere. They would have gone on the offensive from the jump. They didn't because there wasn't anything more to them. 

The justice system is ineffective with these crimes even with a co-operative victim - In this case when the victim is actively protecting the perpetrator and she's the only witness to these incidents the case is dead on arrival. The police actively allowed them to conspire together despite their meeting being a breach of his bail conditions. A joke. 

[Albert Quixall 3,807]

CPS decided they couldn't convict. It took them long enough to make their minds up but who knows what happened after the CPS initially decided to prosecute. Witnesses change their stories, refuse to cooperate, or give evidence. It's common enough. However, he has been exposed as a degenerate scumbag who treats women disgracefully. I hope he never sets foot in Old Trafford again. @JJtheRedwould have been livid about this.

[CB78 347]

10 hours ago, TFIA said:

It is really not more complex than it looks - It's just that the will of the accuser has changed.

I've no doubt they've co-opted to tell authorities that actually there was more to it, that there was mutual fighting, that cuts/bruises were sustained elsewhere, bdsm etc. Whatever could be said to legally crush the case.

The reality is if those images and audio were anything but what they appeared then Greenwood and his legal team would have instantly said as much before he was roundly condemned in the public sphere. They would have gone on the offensive from the jump. They didn't because there wasn't anything more to them. 

The justice system is ineffective with these crimes even with a co-operative victim - In this case when the victim is actively protecting the perpetrator and she's the only witness to these incidents the case is dead on arrival. The police actively allowed them to conspire together despite their meeting being a breach of his bail conditions. A joke. 

Don’t really want to position myself as defending Greenwood 

All I’ll say on final note, is there’s a few “assumptions” in your post that are you assuming/point of view and nothing more 

For me- I don’t like assuming, I want to see all the facts & proper processes/balanced judgement 

 

Edited February 3 by CB78
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[Gary 168]

On 04/02/2023 at 08:20, CB78 said:

Don’t really want to position myself as defending Greenwood 

All I’ll say on final note, is there’s a few “assumptions” in your post that are you assuming/point of view and nothing more 

For me- I don’t like assuming, I want to see all the facts & proper processes/balanced judgement 

 

Yeah, well in the words of the late, great Benny Hill " never assume, coz when you do there's always the chance that you can make an Ass out of U and ME "

Throw the wee bastard his jotters and tell him never to darken the OT doorstep ever again!

[O 20,435]

 

[Gary 168]

On 03/02/2023 at 05:36, PVAD said:

Wouldn't surprise me if they take this one on the face and keep him on.

Ten Hag backed Overmars over the text messages and another Dutch broadcaster for sexual assault so if it his sole decision then I'd say he'll be back next season based on his past thoughts on this type of behaviour.

Personally,  don't think EtH will have a say in the matter. Upstairs will get rid of the wee cunt by whichever means necessary! Certainly hope so.

11 hours ago, O said:

 

Think you've nailed it. Don't know how many on this forum are lawyers? I certainly ain't, so let's forget the ifs, buts and maybes. Best solution. Shoot the little cunt. End of.

[1Day 115]

The reasons behind no trial,the people involved have backed out(money),but I cannot see Utds lawyers allowing Him back at Old Trafford,apart from prison,too lose out on millions,is great loss,plus no more big career..what a flaming waste,for ones ego.

[Albert Quixall 3,807]

On 17/02/2023 at 11:27, 1Day said:

The reasons behind no trial,the people involved have backed out(money),but I cannot see Utds lawyers allowing Him back at Old Trafford,apart from prison,too lose out on millions,is great loss,plus no more big career..what a flaming waste,for ones ego.

In my experience, people who treat women as he did rarely change. I've defended sex offenders before - including rapists - and punishment only drives the hatred for women deeper. It always surfaces again later. I've spoken to enough psychologists who have told me that. Listen to that tape. the disrespect shown to the girl is palpable. He didn't love her, he owned her.

[Gary 168]

14 hours ago, Albert Quixall said:

In my experience, people who treat women as he did rarely change. I've defended sex offenders before - including rapists - and punishment only drives the hatred for women deeper. It always surfaces again later. I've spoken to enough psychologists who have told me that. Listen to that tape. the disrespect shown to the girl is palpable. He didn't love her, he owned her.

Never new you were a lawyer Mr. Q? Promise I won't hold it against you ( well let me rephrase that, I'll try not to )

Greenwood is ever given a "chance" at OT again, my scarf goes in the bin with total disgust!

[O 20,435]