Ole Sack Watch

[TFIA 15,109]

16 hours ago, O said:

The interview was bizarre.

Basically highlighted why he failed as manager. Too nice. Too sentimental. And overrated his own achievements.

It was like emotional blackmail by him and the club. A tactic used to throughout his reign.

In about 2 years time, I'll have lost any animosity towards Ole. It was the same with Moyes and Mourinho. Longer with Moyes tbf.

Some of the stuff coming out now (as it always does when we sack a manager) is just brutal. Seems he would pretty much delegate everything, done very little actual work to the point where players wondered what he was doing.

The players felt the training and preparation was very basic and very "British" - It is just laughable to compare this setup to our rivals and it's just astounding how many of our fans deluded themselves into thinking this was working. 

Alienated much of the squad with his loyalty to underperforming players. I imagine Bailly, Telles and Donny were just furious watching the three players ahead of them falter every week.

The squad is far too bloated though and has been overdue a purge for a long time. This is where I think him being too nice came into it, apparently he was getting club lawyers to contact players instructing them to get surgery because he wasn't up to it. If that's how he is with that then you can just tell he wasn't calling them into his office to tell them they're not wanted. We need someone utterly ruthless to get some of this trash out the door regardless of what we get for them.

The animosity with Ole wont stick but it certainly will for the fans, the media and the club that dragged that out for years. What a fucking waste of time and money that whole experiment was. So much investment to aid the efforts of an amateur. For a club the size of modern United it's the darkest chapter yet. An embarrassment. 

[O 20,624]

32 minutes ago, TFIA said:

Some of the stuff coming out now (as it always does when we sack a manager) is just brutal. Seems he would pretty much delegate everything, done very little actual work to the point where players wondered what he was doing.

The players felt the training and preparation was very basic and very "British" - It is just laughable to compare this setup to our rivals and it's just astounding how many of our fans deluded themselves into thinking this was working. 

Alienated much of the squad with his loyalty to underperforming players. I imagine Bailly, Telles and Donny were just furious watching the three players ahead of them falter every week.

The squad is far too bloated though and has been overdue a purge for a long time. This is where I think him being too nice came into it, apparently he was getting club lawyers to contact players instructing them to get surgery because he wasn't up to it. If that's how he is with that then you can just tell he wasn't calling them into his office to tell them they're not wanted. We need someone utterly ruthless to get some of this trash out the door regardless of what we get for them.

The animosity with Ole wont stick but it certainly will for the fans, the media and the club that dragged that out for years. What a fucking waste of time and money that whole experiment was. So much investment to aid the efforts of an amateur. For a club the size of modern United it's the darkest chapter yet. An embarrassment. 

Over the next 18 months, the following players are likely to leave:

• Henderson (possibly a loan)
• Bailly
• Jones
• Matić
• Mata
• Pogba (free)
• Lingard (free)
• Martial
• Cavani
• Ronaldo

Ole's rebuild has ended up being a shitshow. The wage bill has increased. We have several players winding down contracts. Others like Jones and Mata were given pointless new deals. Cavani and Ronaldo are model pros but will only get in the way of what should be a front three of Rashford, Greenwood & Sancho. And De Gea's still making errors despite some good form. 

 

Greenwood/ST

Rashford/Elanga-------------------------------Sancho/Amad

Bruno/Hannibal-------vdB/McTominay

DM/DM

Shaw/Telles Maguire/Lindelöf Varane/CB Laird/RB

De Gea/Heaton

In the long term, we need to be playing something like that. A DM is a priority. I think we need a ball playing GK too, but De Gea will be here for another few years. When you see what the likes of Ederson, Ramsdale, Neuer and Bazunu can do on the ball, we are missing a trick. Luckily for the next manager, we have some emerging talents like Laird, Hannibal, Shoretire and Elanga who are talented enough to push for 1st team places soon. Ole has shunned youth players since the end of 19/20. And even with the above, Shaw and Maguire are lucky to be still guaranteed starters. We can't replace everyone at once if we are set to lose that many players over the next 18 months.

 

[TFIA 15,109]

19 minutes ago, O said:

Over the next 18 months, the following players are likely to leave:

• Henderson (possibly a loan)
• Bailly
• Jones
• Matić
• Mata
• Pogba (free)
• Lingard (free)
• Martial
• Cavani
• Ronaldo

Ole's rebuild has ended up being a shitshow. The wage bill has increased. We have several players winding down contracts. Others like Jones and Mata were given pointless new deals. Cavani and Ronaldo are model pros but will only get in the way of what should be a front three of Rashford, Greenwood & Sancho. And De Gea's still making errors despite some good form. 

 

Greenwood/ST

Rashford/Elanga-------------------------------Sancho/Amad

Bruno/Hannibal-------vdB/McTominay

DM/DM

Shaw/Telles Maguire/Lindelöf Varane/CB Laird/RB

De Gea/Heaton

In the long term, we need to be playing something like that. A DM is a priority. I think we need a ball playing GK too, but De Gea will be here for another few years. When you see what the likes of Ederson, Ramsdale, Neuer and Bazunu can do on the ball, we are missing a trick. Luckily for the next manager, we have some emerging talents like Laird, Hannibal, Shoretire and Elanga who are talented enough to push for 1st team places soon. Ole has shunned youth players since the end of 19/20. And even with the above, Shaw and Maguire are lucky to be still guaranteed starters. We can't replace everyone at once if we are set to lose that many players over the next 18 months.

 

I'd hope those players leave but I imagine they'll struggle to offload those contracts - Martial's is especially brutal. Hopefully Newcastle step up. 

I would bet any money we'll spend about £100m on Declan Rice in the summer. It's just typical of the club's recent policy to overspend on what they consider a sure thing rather than actually putting in some work and finding talent. He'll improve the side but the money could be better spent. 

Agreed that that's the front three we need to be working towards but it wouldn't surprise me if the new management doesn't fancy some of them. I think Rashford especially is really starting to get exposed, the spectacular moments have dried up and his performances as a starter before and after his injury have been brutal. If he's to kick on as a player he'll need to change how he plays. He has the legs to have a nuisance factor to his game but Ole convinced him he was Ronaldo 2.0 so he became a lazy fuck. 

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Apparently the coaching staff were all handed 3 years deals in the last few weeks and that’s why none have been discarded.

This whole operation is farcical. We’re running a god damn Make-A-Wish here.

[O 20,624]

57 minutes ago, TFIA said:

Apparently the coaching staff were all handed 3 years deals in the last few weeks and that’s why none have been discarded.

This whole operation is farcical. We’re running a god damn Make-A-Wish here.

They really thought Ole was it.

That's why they never sacked him until Watford, and even then he still had the likes of Woodward trying to save him during crisis talks.

It's gotten to a point now where if the Glazers want the club to grow commercially, they'll need to see some success on the pitch. The sponsorship deals and revenue streams are only going to decrease if we don't get back to the top. Unless your parent is a United fan who brings you up to be one, a 7 year old kid isn't going to choose United. City's reach will be extended when they eventually win The CL. Like with Chelsea, that will further establish them. And Newcastle are going to change the landscape over the coming years.

It's in their best interests to start hiring actually football people for key roles. Go out and get a Luis Campos. Michael Edwards played a huge role in Liverpool's rise under Klopp.

[Eddie 616]

4 hours ago, TFIA said:

Apparently the coaching staff were all handed 3 years deals in the last few weeks and that’s why none have been discarded.

This whole operation is farcical. We’re running a god damn Make-A-Wish here.

Crazy! I'd say unbelievable, but knowing how this board make decisions, we shouldn't be surprised. 

This is also an issue for me moving forward. Let's say we do appoint Pochettino, we have to let him bring his own backroom team too. But just watch the United board insist he retains Carrick & McKenna. 

Phelan is the one that'll probably get the chop soon too. But if we've any serious ambitions moving forward this current coaching team failed just as much as Ole and they all need to go. Fresh start needed. Give Pochettino full control. 

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On 23/12/2019 at 03:12, Canto said:

I'm an embaressment? Fuck off this coming from the man who WANTS his team to lose, you don't care about the team you care about trying to be right on the internet

I was right tbf

[Pap1918 1,162]

Usually when the results are under achieved and manager is fired all the staff follows him.

Fergie can not be copied from other . United need totally different approach .

Interesting to see how many of Pochetiono's men will continue with Zidane . What happened to Conte's staff when the last was sacked? Who are the Tuchel's assistants and medics !?

 

[John Locke 1,196]

4 hours ago, Pap1918 said:

Usually when the results are under achieved and manager is fired all the staff follows him.

Fergie can not be copied from other . United need totally different approach .

Interesting to see how many of Pochetiono's men will continue with Zidane . What happened to Conte's staff when the last was sacked? Who are the Tuchel's assistants and medics !?

 

I have no idea why they give the coaches new contracts during a season. But i guess its always the same crap with the glazers. We are trying to pinch the pennies when any other big club would purge the whole coaching setup without batting an eyelid.

[O 20,624]

You couldn't pay me to put myself through that again.

 

 

[Albert Quixall 3,867]

This is how he did it.

[O 20,624]

 

[John Locke 1,196]

He's been out of work for 16 months now. I think there's your answer right there.

[Piazza 6,435]

 

3 hours ago, O said:

 

Dude made millions based entirely on not being Jose Mourinho. Probably makes more in a year not managing than he did in his entire playing career. Shit manager, 3/10 reign. 

[hdcantona 9,000]

3 hours ago, O said:

 

probably a 6 in the sense that it was the first time in years I enjoyed watching us.... for a while but he had no tactical ability, we never seemed to change in game or improve in the second half, pressing and especially counter pressing just useless (clearly *not coached*) and given what's come out since a lack of discipline

[Albert Quixall 3,867]

Manager of Molde to manager of Manchester United. How do you suppose that happened?

[Gary 194]

9 hours ago, Albert Quixall said:

Manager of Molde to manager of Manchester United. How do you suppose that happened?

Only in the hope upstairs the OGS could somehow ' manage' to secure the signing of Halaand?

[1Day 145]

More mate than a manager 

[PVAD 4,575]

I blame Ferdinand above anyone!!