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Westworld (*SPOILERS*)

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These violent delights have violent ends.

What door?

I thought it was high time that we had a thread for this wonderful tv show, especially so that we can talk about the themes evoked during the series and anything else Westworld related.

ATTENTION - THERE WILL BE SPOILERS

To begin with, I noticed @TFIA and @O talking about plotholes in another thread so I decided to talk about that here and not in the other thread....

The "plothole" about Arnold/Bernard that TFIA brought up was adressed during the season and more or less at the beginning as well...Logan and William are talking about the park and Logan says that he wants the family (Delos) to invest in the park. During this discussion Logan talks about the mysterious partner that Ford had that no-one knows anything about and this is even after they hire investigators to delve into Arnold.
And the Arnold-Ford storyline that leads to Arnold's death is clearly before the park even opens, before Delos invest so it is logical that no-one knows what Arnold looks like so therefore they cannot know that Bernard is based on Arnold.

 

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You can accept at a stretch that Arnold is relatively unknown to those working in the Park (which is a stretch given he's photographed with Ford) but I don't buy that Bernard could exist as he is for 34 years or whatever without someone on the board/employees noticing that he isn't ageing. Unless Ford was modifying his appearance every so often, which wouldn't seem to be the case given the flashbacks - he should probably be an old man.

 

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45 minutes ago, TFIA said:

You can accept at a stretch that Arnold is relatively unknown to those working in the Park (which is a stretch given he's photographed with Ford) but I don't buy that Bernard could exist as he is for 34 years or whatever without someone on the board/employees noticing that he isn't ageing. Unless Ford was modifying his appearance every so often, which wouldn't seem to be the case given the flashbacks - he should probably be an old man.

 

Who has seen that photo of Arnold and Ford though? No-one. It's hidden away.

As for the aging, Bernard hasn't been around for 34 years. 

 

There are questions that remain unanswered in Westworld but I think it was logical that no-one realised Bernard was a host based on Arnold. Nobody but Ford could possibly know that.

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1 minute ago, adhityaprianda said:

if there is anyone who knows Bernard is based on Arnold, i would bet my money on William. 

There was a moment in the final episode where William and Bernard crossed paths and William did look back at Bernard....I do think though that it was because he had the maze game in his hand more than anything.

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Just now, dualtamac said:

There was a moment in the final episode where William and Bernard crossed paths and William did look back at Bernard....I do think though that it was because he had the maze game in his hand more than anything.

well, i believe that was the case. but the point still stands. there is no way Bernard not getting older in 10 years time

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15 minutes ago, Munroe said:

If you look at Jeffrey in Casino Royale, then watch an episode of Westworld, you wouldn't think there was a ten year gap between the two. Black don't crack. 

Once they hit 50 odd, they start to age.

Denzel looks old now.

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2 minutes ago, Munroe said:

Denzel looks great for someone who recently turned 62.

He looks young when he dyes his hair for roles.

He looks more like his actual age when you see him rocking the grey.

Will Smith looks younger in movies than in real life.

Caucasians do age quicker in comparison.

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3 hours ago, CelticDevil said:

Was really confused when I saw "*SPOILERS*"  in all caps. Thought you were worried about spoiling a 1970s Yul Brynner film of the same name.  1f602.png

Which is why I put the tv tag before it. ^^

The tv show is based on that film by the way.

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3 hours ago, O said:

He looks young when he dyes his hair for roles.

He looks more like his actual age when you see him rocking the grey.

Will Smith looks younger in movies than in real life.

Caucasians do age quicker in comparison.

 

Gwen Stefani is the exception to the rule. Wouldn't guess she was 47 even without makeup. Jennifer Aniston is pretty close.

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1 minute ago, Loublaze said:

 

Gwen Stefani is the exception to the rule. Wouldn't guess she was 47 even without makeup. Jennifer Aniston is pretty close.

Jennifer has had work done down the years though. Most of Hollywood have.

Unforgiving industry.

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18 minutes ago, O said:

Jennifer has had work done down the years though. Most of Hollywood have.

Unforgiving industry.

Indeed. I saw Natalie Dormer without makeup in real life and she looked flawless. It was in the morning on a set but im sure she wouldn't leave the house without makeup in public even just to go down to the grocery store or local coffee shop. The abuse Renee Zellweger got in 2015 for making an appearance without makeup on was truly disgusting. Thats Hollywood indeed

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14 hours ago, Loublaze said:

 

Gwen Stefani is the exception to the rule. Wouldn't guess she was 47 even without makeup. Jennifer Aniston is pretty close.

This got me thinking about her ex-husband, Bush frontman Gavin Rossdale. Frighteningly, he's now 51! He doesn't look too bad though, and he's aged pretty well compared to some of his contempories. Keanu Reeves is about the same though, and he looks amazing:

http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297813346785_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=420x

Also, Marisa Tomei is the same age too, and somehow looks better than she did 30 years ago.

http://www.ioncinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/love-is-strange-marisa.jpg

I hope I look half as good as either fo them in 20 years.

 

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So maybe a question will kick things off...

Does Dolores show free will at the end by killing Ford or is she once again playing out the scenario she was meant to? If anyone actually gives their opinion, I'll also debate. ^^

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7 hours ago, dualtamac said:

Here was me hoping for discussions about consciousness, dreams, reality, free will....

And instead we talk about stars getting older. Gotta love this place.

As retribution, I'm going to further derail your thread with pictures of handsome men over the age of 50.

http://www.officialgentlemansguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/george-clooney-beard.jpg

 

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On 1/11/2017 at 20:27, lucretius said:

As retribution, I'm going to further derail your thread with pictures of handsome men over the age of 50.

http://www.officialgentlemansguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/george-clooney-beard.jpg

 

 

Brad Pitt too. Fucker is 53. Sandra Bullock, Iman (David Bowie's widow), Angela Basset, Janet Jackson, Jennifer Lopez. A lot of it is probably smoke and mirrors but still

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