The Jose Mourinho Thread

[ALF 6,862]

3 minutes ago, Txrt said:

 

Muahaha I know that is directed to me, and I have to say that yes, I still think they don't have a clue. Hahahah. 

 About the Director of Football, I hope it's true. But more important than hiring just a Director of Football is the fact that he is allowed to work like he needs to work, setting the scouting, communicating, negotiating structure needed for a system like that to work. It's not enough to sign Marotta and pay him 10M a year, if he then is not going to have any ability to negotiate, talk to the coach, know what's needed, etc. 

 

Totally wasn't directed at anyone pal, it just seems to be a consensus that they are making it up as they go along, i suspect many of the tabloids do to some extent but theres legit journalist who have good connections within the club and mostly get their reporting correct which leads me to believe something changed over night. 

And it looks like us hiring a DoF may be correct the BBC are reporting this. 

More details on the club's position after it decided to sack Mourinho:

• The decision was taken in the long term interests of club
• The club views the last few months as disappointing and unsettling. It felt a change had to be made
• It is unhappy there has been no progress in results or style, despite Mourinho being responsible for choosing all 11 signings
• It has accepted players and staff were not happy under Mourinho
• Mourinho wanted to work within his own structure - the club will be looking to add a head of football.
• That person would be in overall charge of the football side of the club, reporting to Ed Woodward

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[Tomos Ayres 6]

After a disappointing start to our campaign Jose Mourinho has been sacked. Even though I think this is a BIG mistake we can't dwell on it. We have to move on and look for a replacement, only this time it has to be a long term one. Eddie Howe is the first man that comes to mind when you think of a young manager with a lot of potential. I think we're one world class center back of being a title challenging team and with the financial backing we have I reckon we should scrap this season and concentrate on Europe. I think not making the UCL next season is a good thing as our players will be rested for weekends games rather than tired after travel back from eastern Europe mid-week.

Big summer transfer window coming 

Edited December 18, 2018 by Tomos Ayres

[Imat16 130]

2 hours ago, abo said:

As much as I was against Mourinho and his tactics and decisions, I don't think he was the problem.

The problem is bigger and deeper and its rooted in the management, the Glazers and most importantly Woodward. 

He was a major part of the problem and his appointment is also a symptom of our deeper problem. Woodward is also a symptom of the problem, in a vacuum of the football structure he just assumed much more responsibilities than he was capable of handling and it has shown. Imo our problem stem from the lack of a brains trust on football matters and had become so due to the all powerful Fergie (he could win under such circumstances because he had grown as the club grew), as manager he was our de facto DOF and he had the intelligence to seek highly qualified personnel as coaches under him which allowed him the time to run the club. When he went no one, not even him, recognized the full extent of his power which had to be shared but that was not done and here we are. 

[Mickey Mouse 1,119]

Not sure how to feel but Mourinho, got what he deserved. There was no reason for him to end like this as he has done in previous jobs. United give him a platform to reinvent himself as manager.  We thought he would learn, but old dogs are hard learners of new tricks, instead, when he didn't get his ways he threw his toys out of the pram on regular bases and create even more toxic environment than actually need, even if the club has wealth of problems, ranging from players to Woodwards & the Glazers.  Which is funny when Spurs board give Poch nothing in the summer and I don't recall Poch being constantly negative in the press about it, got on with coaching the team.  Btw I doubt Poch is jumping ships for us.  Its often good indicator on boards part when they don't give managers more transfers see if they can get on with coaching the team...something Mourinho has failed to do...so I'm not surprised by his sacking.   I'm more surprised about the timing...I had expected the sack to arrive when we out of everything mathematically or at least in the summer.

Edited December 18, 2018 by Mickey Mouse

[nirav 1,161]

At the time of his appointment it looked a safe bet with his experience of winning trophies and handling big clubs but over time it all went downhill for him. Safe to say he was a major part of his downfall and needs to take some time out from game and refresh himself. 

Players such as pogba, jones, valencia, rojo, darmian should be sold or released in the summer. 

All the best jose for the future and thanks for the two trophies in the first season. 

Edited December 18, 2018 by nirav

[Imat16 130]

48 minutes ago, rezzy said:

Whos gonna be our 6 month manager?

Kinda means we wont have any winter signings unless the board make their own decisions on them.

I think it will be Queroz and he could take it given the history with the club and the likely chance that he could bag the full time job in the summer. Wenger is also another option.

[Mickey Mouse 1,119]

1 minute ago, nirav said:

At the time of his appointment it looked a safe bet with his experience of winning trophies and handling big clubs but over time it all went downhill for him. Safe to say he was a major part of his downfall and needs to take some time out from game and refresh himself. 

Players such as pogba, jones, valencia, rojo, darmian should be sold or released in the summer. 

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Wasn't he supposed to do that after his second Chelsea stint?

[nirav 1,161]

2 minutes ago, Mickey Mouse said:

Wasn't he supposed to do that after his second Chelsea stint?

yup he should have but we showed him far too much money. 

[RedDevilDazzy 3,130]

I heard  this on Talksport when Alan Brazil said Jose had left, I thought he was joking as he was doing a quiz with callers at the time. I just had that feeling he was done this week, we have been a horrific piece of smelly turd, and sadly he had to go.

I don't hate Jose, backed him for a good 2 years, and he did win trophies, and we did make some good signings. This season has been a trainwreck. Sorry Jose, have a good rest.

[Cookingfunt 85]

8 minutes ago, Tomos Ayres said:

After a disappointing start to our campaign Jose Mourinho has been sacked. Even though I think this is a BIG mistake we can't dwell on it. We have to move on and look for a replacement, only this time it has to be a long term one. Eddie Howe is the first man that comes to mind when you think of a young manager with a lot of potential. I think we're one world class center back of being a title challenging team and with the financial backing we have I reckon we should scrap this season and concentrate on Europe. I think not making the UCL next season is a good thing as our players will be rested for weekends games rather than tired after travel back from eastern Europe mid-week.

Big summer transfer window coming 

Have to disagree that it's a BIG mistake as you put it. Results and performances were simply not up to scratch and he'd lost the dressing-room. If results were crap and the performances were showing that we were more unlucky then most fans would have had the patience to stick with him as they could see the players and manager trying to turn it around at least, but that simply didn't happen as there was a huge wedge between him and pretty much everyone at the club. Who plays a central midfielder in Herrera & McTominay at centre-half to make a point resulting in matches lost? Let's say that we won those matches - we'd only be five points off fourth place and not 11. Also, factor in the draws against Palace, Soton & Arsenal where United had no gumption and we were playing like we were happy with the draw against the latter two and you have to say that it's only a selfish prick who would put his own ego in front of the needs of the club. Who calls the club's most expensive signing ever a virus and is unable to get the best out of him? Who turns to Matic, Fellaini, McTominay, Smalling, Jones and a woefully out-of-form Lukaku & Sanchez as their go-to guys and picks them no matter how badly they play? Who pays out millions for players and then destroys their confidence by not giving them a look-in for months? No this wasn't a BIG mistake, but the right choice and no long-term replacement thank you. Short-term management with a long-term plan is what's needed not another silly seven year contract just to show that we're not a sacking club and we back the manager no matter what. It's time to swallow our pride and in some cases arrogance and realise where we are what needs to be done to get us out of this current mess.

[Imat16 130]

25 minutes ago, ALF said:

There was a report this morning that Jose was at odds with United over hiring a DoF. All outlets who have any sort of clue of whats going on were saying he was safe 'for now', I know some will say they don't have a clue whats going on.. they do but they're careful in what they write. Anyway.. 

I'm wondering if United have identified the candidate they want for DoF and wanted to proceed but Jose was putting up such a fight that his position became untenable and United had little choice to sack him. Purely speculation on my part but i do feel Jose has been trying to get sacked all season and alongside results him not helping the club move forward not only on the pitch but off it was the final nail in a coffin that should have been in the ground a while ago.  

I think the decision to sack Jose was considered long back but his resistance to a DOF and war with certain players has made his stay untenable. Imo the club has to move mountains to appoint a DOF months before the summer so that we plan for next season with his full input and participation. Indulging Jose wasn't just on under these circumstances.

8 minutes ago, nirav said:

yup he should have but we showed him far too much money. 

Jose came here looking like he already needed an out, him staying in a hotel said a lot about the man's long term plans.

[JJtheRed 7,200]

Easy to say now, but Liverpool definitely felt like the final straw... 

[Imat16 130]

3 minutes ago, JJtheRed said:

Easy to say now, but Liverpool definitely felt like the final straw... 

Liverpool was the final straw in that pundits and fans all directed pressure where it should go - towards Woodward and the Glazers. It was clear that Mourinho gave up on the season with in the summer through his comments and pot shots directed at the board , the players and Woodward. Whilst the start of the season was bad we did look like we pulling it back, players looking like they are fighting for him and he bringing the likes of Martial back from the cold but the results wouldn't consistently come because every now and then he would sabotage the team through shocking lineups (Herrera, Matic and Mctominay in defense etc) clearly showing that he wasn't focused on doing the best but just wanted to prove a point that he was hard done by. Imo he had mentally checked out.

[pearson77 1,571]

He was a cunt and i'm delighted he's been sacked.

[JaimeL 315]

Words can't actually describe how happy I am, over the past year the football has been so miserable and depressing, it's been unbearable at times. I've been going through a rough patch with all the work I've been putting in at college and work, this news was such an unbelievable lift to me haha.

 

While it's great that he's gone, out next appointment(s) are so, so important. Getting in a director of football and a progressive, attacking manager are both incredibly vital - we gave José an insane amount to spend, spending a couple of million to ensure we get the right man in is so important. With the incredible players in our youth academy coming through, it's paramount we get someone in who'll help their transition to the first team.

 

I agree with @TFIA, the players have been a disgrace at times, but a lot of it has to come down on José. There's a very good squad of players there waiting to be coached properly.

 

I can't wait to enjoy matches again.

[THE BASTARD 1,401]

I'm gutted to be honest.  He left this morning in a minibus.    But there was 8 empty seats!!

[Cole 3,277]

There's no doubt he's a winner and his record speaks for hisself but his ego and knack to fall out with his own players is why he had to go. He publicly fell out with Pogba, Martial, Shaw and the stuff he came out with in his press conferences about the rest of the squad was a joke. 

I really hope we get Poch or Zidane and like Neville has already echoed this morning, they need to come in and stamp their authority on what they want because it's clear the problems are deeper than the manager. 

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Redknapp's out of the jungle lads

[JaimeL 315]

7 minutes ago, aardvarked said:

Redknapp's out of the jungle lads

 

After what he did with Tottenham in 2011 I'd nearly take him for 6 months haha

[St!mpy 1,251]

Fuck the hipster rhetoric that 'there's so much more wrong with the club'. Mourinho was the biggest thing wrong at the club and we'll see that with a forward thinking manager and his first set of signings. 

[Tomos Ayres 6]

3 hours ago, pearson77 said:

He was a cunt and i'm delighted he's been sacked.

Can’t say that. Loyalty was a big issue for Mourinho with the dressing room and fans overreacting after one bad start. We were shit in the 70s and shit in the 80s but we didn’t have 3 different managers in the space of 5 years. I think this a massive over reaction to ONE poor season. We’re 11 points of fourth and ye that’s dreadful but we’re still in Europe and we’re still in the F.A. Cup which are two trophies I’d Ben happy with doing well in. Who guided us through a dodgy start to the season? Jose. But then who got us back into the UCL and who got us back in the top 3? Jose. I’d be damn happy if he goes back to Porto and wins the treble over there (Europa League not UCL) as for United, we need stability. NOW.

[hyruga 77]

LVG still caused the biggest damage because he sold off so many players.

Departures since summer 2014: Patrice Evra, Jack Barmby, Anderson, Darren Fletcher, Bebe, Angelo Henriquez, Shinji Kagawa, Wilfried Zaha, Nani, Alexander Buttner, Javier Hernandez, Tom Lawrence, Danny Welbeck, Michael Keane, Tom Cleverley, Marnick Vermijil, Robin van Persie, Angel Di Maria, Saidy Janko, Rafael, Jonny Evans, Anders Lindegaard, Rio Ferdinand, Radamel Falcao, Tom Thorpe, Ben Amos, Federico Macheda.

not forgetting Vidic alr left and Rio leaving, he still sold off Evra and Evans!

Edited December 18, 2018 by hyruga

[MikeM 10,070]

1 hour ago, hyruga said:

LVG still caused the biggest damage because he sold off so many players.

Departures since summer 2014: Patrice Evra, Jack Barmby, Anderson, Darren Fletcher, Bebe, Angelo Henriquez, Shinji Kagawa, Wilfried Zaha, Nani, Alexander Buttner, Javier Hernandez, Tom Lawrence, Danny Welbeck, Michael Keane, Tom Cleverley, Marnick Vermijil, Robin van Persie, Angel Di Maria, Saidy Janko, Rafael, Jonny Evans, Anders Lindegaard, Rio Ferdinand, Radamel Falcao, Tom Thorpe, Ben Amos, Federico Macheda.

not forgetting Vidic alr left and Rio leaving, he still sold off Evra and Evans!

Patrice Evra - Fair point, think we should have kept him on.

 Jack Barmby, Anderson, Darren Fletcher, Bebe, Angelo Henriquez, - nope don't agree that was a bad move. Plus Fletcher wanted regular football.

Kagawa was bought for a position which was filled (Rooney staying)

Wilfried Zaha - Never settled, I think he's another Le Tissier

Nani - Not consistent 

Alexander Buttner,

Javier Hernandez - Dick move, but he wanted games

Danny Welbeck - "I dreamed of playing for Arsenal" 

Michael Keane - Raw and unproven at the time

Tom Cleverley, Marnick Vermijil - Seriously?

Robin van Persie - Wanted to go 

Angel Di Maria - LVG did a number on him 

Rafael - made of glass 

Jonny Evans, Regressed.

Anders Lindegaard - wanted games

Rio Ferdinand - practically retired

Radamel Falcao - Was injured and lost confidence

Biggest damage LVG did was over complicating the game, and not allowing his players to think. (Sounds familiar)

1 hour ago, Tomos Ayres said:

Can’t say that. Loyalty was a big issue for Mourinho with the dressing room and fans overreacting after one bad start. We were shit in the 70s and shit in the 80s but we didn’t have 3 different managers in the space of 5 years. I think this a massive over reaction to ONE poor season. We’re 11 points of fourth and ye that’s dreadful but we’re still in Europe and we’re still in the F.A. Cup which are two trophies I’d Ben happy with doing well in. Who guided us through a dodgy start to the season? Jose. But then who got us back into the UCL and who got us back in the top 3? Jose. I’d be damn happy if he goes back to Porto and wins the treble over there (Europa League not UCL) as for United, we need stability. NOW.

Game has changed massively since then.

[Jay007 3,429]

Surprised when I read the news, albeit pleasantly - it feels like it's Christmas!  He deserved to go a long time ago, but based on our past decision making process and the lack of rumblings about his future I genuinely thought we would be hold onto him for a lot longer.

Now it's just about taking the time to decide on the right approach and trying to get the right person for the job.