Albert Quixall 3,867 Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, nirav said: Some rags reporting that we are closing in on lille director of football Luis Campos. Same PR strategy in a loop every transfer window. Comical that management thinks fans will keep believing it every transfer window. Yes, but a lot do which generates oodles of social media traffic, and that is what they want. Mkhi22 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 9,000 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 Brace yourselves for Darren Fletcher if Ornstein is right JaimeL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JaimeL 315 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, hdcantona said: Brace yourselves for Darren Fletcher if Ornstein is right I'm all for getting a DoF in, and they don't necessarily have to be this amazing, legendary figure in football - just someone who'll keep the club tipping in the right direction with a long term plan. The best part about Ole's management is his long term planning. If we can get in a director of football that keeps us moving in a modern direction with attacking football and investment in youth no matter who the manager is, brilliant - and look at how we've been doing that recently with all of our promoting from within and the big-money signing of Mejbri. Butt's apparently doing brilliant work behind the scenes with our youth teams, and hopefully that continues such that we never see the random buys of Moyes/LVG/Mourinho again. However, if Fletcher is brought in simply to appease the fans as a figurehead while we continue to thrash about in the ocean with bricks tied to our feet - I'd be worried. If he does come in, I hope he genuinely has a long term plan and isn't a glorified club ambassador. Edited August 4, 2020 by JaimeL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jay007 3,429 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) I like Fletcher, think he comes across well and seems to be fairly intelligent and knowledgeable. However, he's obviously unproven, so it's impossible to say how well he would do. If we get a Director of Football and they're given a decent amount of power, then I would take almost anyone over Woodward. You cannot doubt his abilities as a 'finance man', but it's pretty obvious that he knows less than nothing about football. Edited August 4, 2020 by Jay007 Canto and Burns92 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 9,000 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 he also stressed in the vid that a DoF would have basically nothing to do with transfers as 'Utd feel confident about how they are operating at the moment' or something to that effect... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Quixall 3,867 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 hours ago, hdcantona said: he also stressed in the vid that a DoF would have basically nothing to do with transfers as 'Utd feel confident about how they are operating at the moment' or something to that effect... In other words Woodward will keep on playing at transfer manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyEaglesFly 40 Posted October 6, 2020 Report Share Posted October 6, 2020 The whole DoF thing just seems to be a standard press release that's used at the end of each transfer window to appease fans. There seems to be no real intent from United to do so. If there was then surely by now they would have acted upon it? Trouble is United fans are now wise to it and know its just words and an empty message. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheManc 4,058 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 04/08/2020 at 21:38, hdcantona said: he also stressed in the vid that a DoF would have basically nothing to do with transfers as 'Utd feel confident about how they are operating at the moment' or something to that effect... This aged well Honestly the dream is VDS, based on how smart he is as a person, what he's doing at the moment etc. I think a DOF would actually be a demotion for him though. He's the CEO of Ajax. Fletcher comes across as very intelligent but he'd be one of those who sticks by a manager for too long I reckon. It's a trend for all those who were basically soldiers of SAF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyEaglesFly 40 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, TheManc said: This aged well Honestly the dream is VDS, based on how smart he is as a person, what he's doing at the moment etc. I think a DOF would actually be a demotion for him though. He's the CEO of Ajax. Fletcher comes across as very intelligent but he'd be one of those who sticks by a manager for too long I reckon. It's a trend for all those who were basically soldiers of SAF. I'm also not sure Fletcher would have the contacts needed to be a good DoF? But I guess the same argument could be made of VDS before he went in at Ajax? Although at least VDS had played for a lot of different teams in a lot of countries for a lot of managers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Quixall 3,867 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Round and round we go... I don't keep up with the pronouncements from United so have they sent up this particular balloon again? Edited October 7, 2020 by Albert Quixall Quote Link to post Share on other sites
O 20,624 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 12 hours ago, TheManc said: This aged well Honestly the dream is VDS, based on how smart he is as a person, what he's doing at the moment etc. I think a DOF would actually be a demotion for him though. He's the CEO of Ajax. Fletcher comes across as very intelligent but he'd be one of those who sticks by a manager for too long I reckon. It's a trend for all those who were basically soldiers of SAF. Marc Overmars is their DoF. vdS doesn't look after just transfers. Would be a step down, yeah. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TFIA 15,109 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Honestly don't think it will make much difference as long as the Glazers are here. Much as I despise Woodard there's no way he didn't want to sign Sancho. Yes he probably thought he could negotiate because he's an incompetent tool but there's no way he was ever given the greenlight to pay the asking price. Stupid really given Sancho (and Grealish for that matter) would have been a dream on the marketing side of things for years. That was what initially got my hopes up that the deal would be done but even that wasn't enough. The best thing a DoF can bring is just bringing more focus to the actual football on the pitch because it's so obviously down the list of priorities right now. hdcantona and TheManc 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Haymark 426 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, TFIA said: Honestly don't think it will make much difference as long as the Glazers are here. Much as I despise Woodard there's no way he didn't want to sign Sancho. Yes he probably thought he could negotiate because he's an incompetent tool but there's no way he was ever given the greenlight to pay the asking price. Stupid really given Sancho (and Grealish for that matter) would have been a dream on the marketing side of things for years. That was what initially got my hopes up that the deal would be done but even that wasn't enough. The best thing a DoF can bring is just bringing more focus to the actual football on the pitch because it's so obviously down the list of priorities right now. I think it would certainly make a difference. I hate the Glaziers, but no one can say they have not given money for transfers over the last few years. It’s just been spent irrationally and with no strategy linking to the long term vision of the club. Imagine since Fergie left, every penny we spent on players were with one brief, one playing style in mind, building a pool of players that play in a certain way, and only appointing managers that train/coach and play that style from the youth up to the first team: we probably would be top 3 in Europe. Probably with a couple of title and a couple of European cup finals as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Locke 1,196 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Haymark said: I think it would certainly make a difference. I hate the Glaziers, but no one can say they have not given money for transfers over the last few years. It’s just been spent irrationally and with no strategy linking to the long term vision of the club. Irrationally spent because they are reluctant to invest in the squad unless they see a clear decline in performance. Then we panic buy and we are suckered into paying more as everyone can see how badly we need to strengthen. It happened in fergies last years when we should've been making big signings to avert problems further down the line when our stalwarts would be over the hill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Haymark 426 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, John Locke said: Irrationally spent because they are reluctant to invest in the squad unless they see a clear decline in performance. Then we panic buy and we are suckered into paying more as everyone can see how badly we need to strengthen. It happened in fergies last years when we should've been making big signings to avert problems further down the line when our stalwarts would be over the hill. We sign big because we don’t plan! We don’t plan because we have no football operator at the club. We wouldn’t need to “buy big” and panic, if we planned sufficiently. That’s my point. There are plenty of players out there that fit a system and style of play that wouldn’t cost record fees over the last 5years if someone knew what the fuck they were looking for. Albert Quixall 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyEaglesFly 40 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 hours ago, O said: Marc Overmars is their DoF. vdS doesn't look after just transfers. Would be a step down, yeah. Would be a step up in terms of club and the stature though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdcantona 9,000 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 18 hours ago, TheManc said: This aged well Honestly the dream is VDS, based on how smart he is as a person, what he's doing at the moment etc. I think a DOF would actually be a demotion for him though. He's the CEO of Ajax. Fletcher comes across as very intelligent but he'd be one of those who sticks by a manager for too long I reckon. It's a trend for all those who were basically soldiers of SAF. yup - that's why I put the 3 dots tbh - was so predictable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Locke 1,196 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Haymark said: We sign big because we don’t plan! We don’t plan because we have no football operator at the club. We wouldn’t need to “buy big” and panic, if we planned sufficiently. That’s my point. There are plenty of players out there that fit a system and style of play that wouldn’t cost record fees over the last 5years if someone knew what the fuck they were looking for. It surely can't be hard for a club of our size to get a reasonable structure in place. I can only think they see a DOF as surrendering control. It would threaten woodwards hegemony. It's hard to believe that owners could be that cynical to purely see the club as a steady stream of revenue but apparently its the case here. Albert Quixall 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
O 20,624 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, FlyEaglesFly said: Would be a step up in terms of club and the stature though... FlyEaglesFly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Quixall 3,867 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, FlyEaglesFly said: Would be a step up in terms of club and the stature though... Ajax to United a step up? Not with the Glazers and Woodward in charge it ain't. Any DoF would be subservient to Woodward and Judge and who would agree to that? All we can offer is better money in return for working with a shower of cunts. 1 hour ago, John Locke said: It surely can't be hard for a club of our size to get a reasonable structure in place. I can only think they see a DOF as surrendering control. It would threaten woodwards hegemony. It's hard to believe that owners could be that cynical to purely see the club as a steady stream of revenue but apparently its the case here. Been saying that all along. That poisonous little shit won't cede one iota of power. He needs to meet with a nasty accident. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeM 10,070 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 The stupid thing is, that even if the Glazers want us to spend only a certain amount in the window (Which is not disputed) - a clever DOF could operate within that, "can't afford Sancho?" fine drop that and get Adama Traore. It will take a while, but Joel and co will start feeling the pinch when the success on the field dries up to the extent that the numbers start moving in the wrong direction. How many kids these days will want United shirts? Spurs have apparently overtaken us in popularity in South Asia - these ARE things that they'll care about. That's when Ed will get the tin tack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kjetil 32 Posted October 20, 2020 Report Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 18/10/2020 at 14:04, MikeM said: The stupid thing is, that even if the Glazers want us to spend only a certain amount in the window (Which is not disputed) - a clever DOF could operate within that, "can't afford Sancho?" fine drop that and get Adama Traore. It will take a while, but Joel and co will start feeling the pinch when the success on the field dries up to the extent that the numbers start moving in the wrong direction. How many kids these days will want United shirts? Spurs have apparently overtaken us in popularity in South Asia - these ARE things that they'll care about. That's when Ed will get the tin tack. Not so sure about Traore, but general point well taken. On central D especially, there ought to be serious help available in the 30-40 mill range. Also, there has got to be an end to the absurd policy of sticking to unrealistic asking prices for players we just need to unload. Penny wise, pound foolish. Obviously there's a limit to how much you can draw from anecdotal evidence, but not too long ago I tried unsuccessfully to get a United shirt from street stalls in Istanbul. I was told there wasn't much demand these days. They stocked Liverpool and City though. MikeM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarked 11,014 Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 Overmars and Van Der Sar are said to be looking for another challenge. If the board wasn't run by idiots we'd bring them in and get rid of Woodward, or change his role to be purely commercial and make Edwin a COO or technical director. We won't though. Jay007 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nirav 1,161 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 So we finally have a football director, technical director and a director of football negotiations. It all looks like a eye wash to reduce pressure on Woodward. They have just given a formal post to the personnel ha doing the same thing. How will it improve the functioning? O 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
O 20,624 Posted March 10, 2021 Report Share Posted March 10, 2021 Kept in-house. Typical Woodward. Not relinquishing his power. His two mates and an unqualified ex player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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