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Well done Warren Joyce. Should he be moving up the OT management ladder or is he a person without that kind of ambition ?

 

He's the type that should only do the manager's job not assistant or that sort so unless we want him to replace LVG...

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Fantastic, so much for Chelsea having the best youth then.

Well done boys. Treat the City game like a party and rip them apart.

U21 football isn't as important as U19 football. They won the UEFA Youth League this year and The FA Youth Cup.

They have three times as many potential first teams players as us at present.

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U21 football isn't as important as U19 football. They won the UEFA Youth League this year and The FA Youth Cup.

They have three times as many potential first teams players as us at present.

 

Agree.People need to put out their rose-tinted glasses when it comes to youth football.Just because most of them won't be given chances for the seniors doesn't mean their academy didn't do a very good job.Chelsea academy had a 10 years plan to produce top class talents in-house and invested a lot of money on it especially their recruitment.We're a bit inflexible and traditional when it comes to that regard although I don't think their coaching is anything special comparing to us.

 

Our U21's average age is about 2 years older than Chelsea's and 1 year older than Man City's.

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Agree.People need to put out their rose-tinted glasses when it comes to youth football.Just because most of them won't be given chances for the seniors doesn't mean their academy didn't do a very good job.

 

At the same time, other people tend to get very carried away with success at youth level that doesn't necessarily translate to bringing many/any through. No doubt they've got a great setup but I think 'three times as many potential first-teamers' is an exaggeration.

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VAN GAAL: VARELA AND BORTHWICK-JACKSON HAVE DONE WELL

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal is happy with the way Cameron Borthwick-Jackson and Guillermo Varela have made the step up to first-team football in recent weeks.

Teenage defender Borthwick-Jackson made his debut against West Bromwich Albion in November and Uruguayan right-back Varela followed suit against West Ham United earlier this month, with neither player fazed by playing in the Barclays Premier League.

The duo have helped assuage the injury situation with no fewer than seven senior defenders - Chris Smalling, Marcos Rojo, Phil Jones, Matteo Darmian, Paddy McNair, Luke Shaw and Antonio Valencia - all having spent time on the sidelines.

Van Gaal has been pleased by Varela and Borthwick-Jackson's displays but feels the inevitable inconsistency of inexperienced players illustrates why he cannot rely too heavily on youth.

The boss told reporters: "This was a decision at the beginning of this season that was a strategy. Manchester United is a club that wants to give chances to youth players.

"But when you hold a selection of 35-40 players then you cannot give any chance to a youngster because you have to manage that selection and give also chances to the older players. This is why we have sold a lot of players and sent a lot of players on loan. 

"Then, when you have injuries like we do now, you have seen that Varela has done well against Wolfsburg and Borthwick-Jackson has done well in his first two substitute [appearances]. He did well in the first half against Bournemouth, the second less, but that is because he is a youngster and you have to accept that. 

"You are in need when you have to use too many youngsters and we have reached that point now. I can analyse the situation and, when you close your eyes to that, you are not favourable to that strategy anymore."

Van Gaal also confirmed United have the option to recall striker James Wilson from his loan spell at Championship high-fliers Brighton & Hove Albion if required.

"We have sent him to Brighton because he needs match rhythm and he has to show his qualities," the manager said. "We have extended his contract because of his qualities and we believe in him. Now he is there and he shows his qualities, but that is on a lower level. 

"If we are in trouble we can recall him and that is why we have done it. It is a matter of a decision at a time that maybe comes, but maybe not."

source: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2015/Dec/van-gaal-discusses-guillermo-varela-cameron-borthwick-jackson-plus-james-wilson-recall.aspx

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FAYC: MANCHESTER UNITED 1 CHELSEA 5

FA Youth Cup fourth round | 22 January 2016 | Scorers: Scott 67 / Ugbo 20, Abraham 45+2, Mount 68, Dasilva 82, Ali 87.

Manchester United’s FA Youth Cup quest is over for another season after the young Reds were comfortably beaten 5-1 by Chelsea, the holders, in the fourth round at Altrincham’s J. Davidson Stadium.

The visitors thoroughly deserved their handsome win that came courtesy of goals from Ike Ugbo, Tammy Abragam, Mason Mount, Jay Dasilva and Mukhtar Ali. A 67th-minute Charlie Scott strike offered brief hope for Paul McGuinness's young Reds at 2-1, but Chelsea marched on to complete a ruthless triumph.

The Blues began the game positively and it was evident as early as the ninth minute that they would set the pace when the sprightly Charlie Wakefield found space on the right and forced Reds goalkeeper Oliver Byrne to concede a corner with a fine save. Although that set-piece came to nothing, Joe Edwards’ men were not short of further opportunities in a first half they dominated. 

Ugbo was the next to go close with a shot that was blocked and Abraham also threatened when his stinging effort went comfortably wide. Marcus Rashford was a bright spark for the home side, making a number of rapid forward runs, but Chelsea’s relentless attacking continued and it wasn’t long before their pressure told.

Jay Dasilva picked up the ball on the left flank before arrowing a fine delivery right on to the head of Abraham who forced a superb reaction stop from Byrne. Unfortunately the keeper’s save fell kindly for striker Ugbo who had the simple task of nodding home. 

Chelsea's efforts to quickly consolidate their lead included a thunderous free-kick from Abraham that caused momentary panic in the United area and Fikoyo Tomori beating Byrne in the air only to head over the bar. 

The Reds' attacking contingent did their utmost to provide respite for the under-pressure defensive duo of Timothy Fosu-Mensah – drafted in to cover for injuries - and Ro-Shaun Williams. Rashford, Charlie Scott and Tosin Kehinde demonstrated some nice link-up play, but it would be in vain as the Blues doubled their advantage in first-half injury time through an expert finish from Abraham.

The second period didn’t start well for McGuinness’s men as Zac Dearnley was forced to withdraw through injury and the Blues' well-drilled defence remained nigh on impenetrable. 

Charlie Scott registered the Reds' first notable effort on goal shortly before the hour mark, having been teed up by Callum Gribbin, but the central midfielder somewhat snatched at his effort which dragged wide. 

Soon afterwards Scott was presented with another opportunity after a United corner was headed clear and this time he made no mistake as he smashed home with a well-struck effort from just outside the area. A lifeline for the Reds – or so it seemed. 

The celebrations had hardly died down when, only 45 seconds later, United were far too easily cut apart by Chelsea’s Mason Mount who marched unchecked into the Reds area. Although he briefly lost control, indecisiveness on United’s part proved costly as Mount pounced to reassert the Blues' two-goal cushion.

Thereafter Chelsea exerted complete control over the proceedings, which was demonstrated late on as they really turned the screw, scoring through a beautiful lob from Jay Dasilva and then a late tap-in from Mukhtar Ali as the holders secured safe passage to the fifth round with 11 goals in two games. 

United: Byrne, Warren, Williams, Fosu-Mensah, Reid, Scott, Whelan, Dearnley (Boonan 56), Gribbin (Gomes 85), Kehinde, Rashford. Subs not used: Moutha-Sebtaoui, Dunne, Gomes, Kenyon, Boonen.

source: http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/The-Academy/Academy-News/2016/Jan/under-18-match-report-fa-youth-cup-manchester-united-vs-chelsea.aspx

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just for reference .

I am a lot surprised from the standing in green ,because Porto are missing ,but actually they are the club with most fiscal efficiency . I do mean high profile players sold for good money.  

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2 hours ago, Pap1918 said:

din-cies-2.png_a4ca957d-7f12-4_650

just for reference .

I am a lot surprised from the standing in green ,because Porto are missing ,but actually they are the club with most fiscal efficiency . I do mean high profile players sold for good money.  

@Txrt

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4.Athletic club Bilbao ..........

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30. Ajax Amsterdam - hahahahahahah

 

Madrid and Barcelona have to be up there. You see every team in Spain, and they have players that have played in Barcelona and Madrid. Almost every player that gets to make the Madrid u-18 has a future as a professional footballer in la Liga. Same with Barcelona. 

And Athletic are pretty awesome at that, and we can only have Basque guys in our academy too, which makes the achievement even better. 

About Porto, maybe it is because they sign many of the guys from other clubs, or from South America? I mean, still with that, I bet they have plenty of footballers that have been developed and nurtured in their academy to make the list. 

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6 hours ago, Txrt said:

Madrid and Barcelona have to be up there. You see every team in Spain, and they have players that have played in Barcelona and Madrid. Almost every player that gets to make the Madrid u-18 has a future as a professional footballer in la Liga. Same with Barcelona. 

And Athletic are pretty awesome at that, and we can only have Basque guys in our academy too, which makes the achievement even better. 

About Porto, maybe it is because they sign many of the guys from other clubs, or from South America? I mean, still with that, I bet they have plenty of footballers that have been developed and nurtured in their academy to make the list. 

First of all I  should posted how the ranking was made . As per the link below the research covers specific group of players between age 15 and 21 with minimum 3 years stay in club. In this case no chance Porto to be in ,because they have plenty youths from outside Europe as You said  (the transfers are allowed after age 18 ) 

https://gnkdinamo.hr/EN/News/Article/dinamo-second-most-productive-training-club-in-europe

Anyway Bilbao are doing miracles in order to to extract the max from only local guys. It was obvious to me and with all honesty I want to be in touch with them even at the beach if anything else is impossible. 

 

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3 hours ago, ALF said:

Interesting article here about Mason Greenwood. Sounds like a very exciting prospect, i wonder if he'll get any time. 

http://global.espn.com/football/club/manchester-united/360/blog/post/3568926/mason-greenwood-might-be-man-uniteds-best-kept-secret-and-next-big-thing?src=com 

Better than Rashford at the same age. He could become a Mbappé type player. His finishing is ridiculous.

Two footed as well.

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7 hours ago, O said:

Better than Rashford at the same age. He could become a Mbappé type player. His finishing is ridiculous.

 Two footed as well.

Fingers crossed for us and the lad. 

Sadly as we know sometimes these things don't work out as they should but heres hoping. 

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True we have seen lads fade away due to various reasons inspite of the talent Morrison (attitude), Keane (injury) and then Wilson too... but just pray and hope that this lad makes it to the top. There is nothing more satisfying than seeing one of our own become the best. 

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We've got some phenomenal players coming through - Greenwood, Gomes, Chong, O'Connor, Tuanzebe, as well as Lingard, Rashford and McTominay in the first team - really hope we can see more of them coming through, they're such exciting young players

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