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  1. 18 points
    lucretius

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

    I know, it's hard to believe.
  2. 11 points
  3. 9 points
    What even was that replay? What the fuck were those lines? VAR - Brought to you by Microsoft Paint.
  4. 8 points
    It's laughable. The Guardian hacks have their nose so far up Pep's arse, they've got brown shoulders.
  5. 8 points
    It's incredible nonsense, let's look at their line-up. Bravo- 17m Delph- 8m Laporte- 50m Stones- 50m Danilo-30m Silva- 25m Guendogan- 20m Fernandinho- 30m Sane- 37m Aguero- 38m Silva- 43m The combined total of the defence alone is 138 million ffs. Not a youth player in sight the renowned youth academy in sight and Pep the great one fires on another 50m from Kyle Walker from the bench along with Kevin De Bruyne (55m)....who may I add were both on the field before Wigan scored. This is also the man who's solution to injuries was to list 6 subs and demand another 50 million for Mahrez because Sane was out for a couple of weeks.
  6. 8 points
    Pep is more of a prick than jose when he loses or things go against him. It's nice to say good things when you are winning but your true character comes out in difficult times. There would have been outcry in media if jose would have had a bust up like pep and would also have lead to repercussions . His post match comments congratulating wigan adding they had one shot on target was also cringeworthy. Overall loved the nice guy mask coming off and it made my day.
  7. 8 points
    Just when you think we have shit owners, a ruined culture and an egotistical manager along comes the Berties. Thank you.
  8. 8 points
    JJtheRed

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

    I’m getting the impression that people would much rather be “right” than see him do well for us.... Truely sad state of affairs.
  9. 7 points
    hdcantona

    The FA Cup thread

    https://streamable.com/wffft
  10. 7 points
    lucretius

    Romelu Lukaku 2017/18

    He was very good yesterday, and took both goals really well. The ultimate flat track bully, though. His stats are padded by FA Cup goals against Huddersfield (17th), Yeovil (League Two), and Derby (Championship), and in the CL against Basel and CSKA Moscow. His league record is actually pretty underwhelming: 12 goals (7th, behind Kane, Salah, Aguero, Sterling, Vardy, and Firmino), having played more minutes than anyone above him except Vardy, who has played 14 minutes more and scored one more goal. His minutes per goal is pretty poor (188): about half as good as Kane (97), Salah (93), or Aguero (85). Quite a bit worse than Sterling (128) too. In fact, it's worse than any other centre forward who has scored 7 or more goals, except Lacazette (202). Rooney (164) and Glenn Murray (185) have been more efficient. Even Martial (164) and Lingard (183) have a better rate in our squad, despite not playing up top. Hazard has played 644 fewer minutes, and scored 1 less goal. Morata has played 700 fewer minutes (nearly 8 full games), and scored only 2 less goals. 0 goals against the top 6 sides. In fact, the highest placed team he's scored against is Everton, in 9th. He also has 1 against Bournemouth, in 10th. That means that 83% of his goals have come against sides in the bottom half of the table. He has 2 against Stoke, 1 against Southampton, and 1 against West Brom, so a third of his goals have come against sides currently in the relegation zone. Three teams (Palace, Swansea, and Huddersfield), are only one point ahead of 18th placed Southampton, and he has a goal against each of them, accounting for more than half of his total.
  11. 7 points
    St!mpy

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

    If this was prison, TFIA just dropped the soap and Luc has had his way.
  12. 6 points
    The Guardian is saying City paid for fielding a weakened team. They must be fucking kidding. That City team was good enough to turn out for a league match. More excuses.
  13. 6 points
    peterswellman

    The FA Cup thread

    Mask on, fuck it mask off. Classy, classy Pep. Big bad Jose.
  14. 6 points
    SimplyGiggs

    VAR - yes or no?

    Amazing the opposition to it despite the unequivocal success in just about every other sport. If your enjoyment of games rests on calling the referee a cunt or not being able to sit through a delay of 1-2 minutes then there are some serious issues.
  15. 6 points
    O

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

  16. 6 points
    How can anyone think this is a positive?
  17. 5 points
    Will you please STFU. Sick and tired of old cunts like you and haggler talking about Ferguson taking over in '86 and not winning the league until 1993. The Manchester United of 1986 and 2016 were two very different football clubs. There was a rampant drinking culture, a poor scouring network in place, Liverpool were the dominant force, and Everton were also a top side back then. Also, George Graham would soon be turning Arsenal into a force again. Robson, Whiteside, McGrath, etc. Pissheads. Drank in Crerand's pub. The scouting network, which was the foundation of The Busby Babes, had to be restructured and brought up to scratch. That's how we started to sign up young players from all over the country again. No David Beckham without it. Imagine Ferguson being given the money to go and pluck the best players from Spain (di María), France (Ibrahimović), Germany (Mkhitaryan) and Italy (Pogba) at that time. Not happening. He had to buy from within Britain. The club's last First Division title was in 1967. Almost 20 years earlier. No former winners in the squad. Moyes inherited a title winning team. Mourinho took over the same core group of players 3 years after their last title win. De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Young, Valencia, Carrick, Rooney. 7 title winners. 6 of them remain. 5 of them are regulars. It's not comparable at all.
  18. 5 points
  19. 5 points
    pailo

    VAR - yes or no?

    Any decision made, whether its in football, business or in your home, will be a more informed one, if you have more tools and information at your disposal. But the addition of tools and information also comes with it a price. You cannot gain something for nothing. With the introduction of VAR, referees will have access to video footage which in many cases, makes the decision easier to make. But the price you pay is that this will incur a delay to the game i.e. it takes time to process the information. Consider an example where a goal is scored and VAR is used by the referees to confirm the goal. This incurs a one second delay between the time the ball crosses the line and the time the referee announces the decision. I believe it would be difficult to find many fans who would complain about that delay. Consider now the example yesterday, where the delay was a few minutes. Although the correct decision was made, the delay has caused controversy. At some point, the FA need to establish a maximum allowable delay time which the majority of fans would be happy with. Unfortunately there can be no maximum (finite) delay which could be imposed where you could state, with certainty, that all decisions using VAR, will have been made. This is because there will always be underlying errors in technology - you cannot make anything perfect, and thus there will always be some statistical uncertainty in its usage, no matter how small. This is without even considering the fact that a human still has a final say in the matter, and the error brought about by human involvement in the decision making process. However it may be possible to provide a confidence level, that 95% of all decisions will be made, within the maximum "allowable" delay time. What needs to happen now is first, an understanding of what the tool is and what it is not. The latter is important, perhaps moreso than the former. We then need a decision to be made as to what is an acceptable time to wait. It then needs to be demonstrated that all referees can use the technology and make a decision within that acceptable time, for most circumstances, say 95% of the time. Once this has been achieved, the technology chould then be rolled out into more domestic games.
  20. 5 points
    lucretius

    VAR - yes or no?

    Ridiculous that it hasn't been implemented already. The technology is there - use it. People are angry because it cost us a goal. That's human nature, but that doesn't make it rational. Technology by its nature can give a more accurate result than one set of eyes observing something once. If you refer something to technology that can tell if something is an inch offside, then it's offside. No point having the tech if you don't use it, and no point implementing something with that ability and then complaining that it's too accurate.
  21. 5 points
    O

    West Brom - Pardiola era

    So... you're bottom of the league and go to Spain for a bit of warm weather training. Randomly, four of your most senior players decide to rob a taxi and take the piss. FFS. Gareth Barry is the leading PL appearance maker and Jonny Evans was being linked with City and Arsenal a few weeks ago! They're in their 30s. 😂 Jake Livermore might have had a family bereavement in recent months, but he is constantly involved in off the field antics. Tested positive for cocaine, and now this. They are doomed if they don't go on a massive run of wins.
  22. 5 points
    pailo

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

    Or you know..he could actually be ill. Don't let that stop the conspiracy theories though...
  23. 5 points
    gav81

    Do you trust Mourinho?

    This is quite childish but has anyone else noticed the similarity... Would you trust this man? 😄 Ok, on with the serious discussion...
  24. 4 points
    Oh God, he's starting with Smaldini again, isn't he?
  25. 4 points
    On a United forum, in a City pisstaking thread you’re getting mad by hyperbole. Jesus Christ! Relax ffs. Whats Pep’s excuse for his tunnel antics tonight? I don’t hear you denounce his class there. Unsurprising. We know you think Jose is a tosser, we get it. It’s basically the 500 time you’ve posted the same image. New material would be nice, there is plenty of it.
  26. 4 points
  27. 4 points
    Crosses are his weakness.
  28. 4 points
    The game has literally gone mad.
  29. 4 points
    We're not playing bad, you just all have agendas.
  30. 4 points
    Now we know why Pogba was ill, he probably vomited when he heard Smalling was in defence again.
  31. 4 points
    O

    West Brom - Pardiola era

    What a man. Playing PL football regularly for 20 years this May, yet still makes time for a few pints.
  32. 4 points
    TFIA

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

    Agendas? On his place? Never.
  33. 3 points
    I'm beginning to think I must have missed some footage or something. All I saw was a but of pushing and the usual shouting and bickering. The clip I saw was the BBC tunnel cam. If it got any worse then I haven't seen it.
  34. 3 points
    I mean do when it comes to what are we going to try to do on the pitch. Sit deep, go trying to impose our game, or what our plan will be. I'd honestly expect something similar to what we did at Vigo last year, I wouldn't be too mad if we pulled it off to be honest. However I think Sevilla are a different beast. To be honest, if I had to say who the favourite to win this is for me in Nervión, I'd say Sevilla are. I wouldn't consider a loss bottling it, I think they are the favorites in their home. Having said that, I fully expect us to compete and fight and show that we have "the better players", or at least on paper. I don't really know what we're going to do. I think your 3-5-2 is a good idea, mostly because it means overcrowding the middle of the park, which I think he will definitely do. Pogba is not going to play alongside Matic tomorrow in a double pivot (at least I hope so), and I don't think the lineup will be as attacking as it's been sometimes lately.
  35. 3 points
    O

    Champions League 2017/18

    All Iniesta. Made up the ground, rides the challenge, and then has the composure to find Messi. Don.
  36. 3 points
    aardvarked

    Romelu Lukaku 2017/18

    😂😂😂😂😂
  37. 3 points
    Aguero guilty of pushing someone who had no right to be there away from him, and had grabbed hold of him (and allegedly spat on him). Better blame Pep and claim an FA conspiracy. RAWKworthy stuff.
  38. 3 points
    Txrt

    The FA Cup thread

    Will Grigg has always had something special. A guy with a chant like that has to be made for matches like this. What a finish tonight. Live on national TV here too. Guardiola getting abuse from every non-Catalan in the country. Glorious. I'm sometimes a miserable bastard that gets happier for someone failing than another one that deserves it winning. What this forum has turned me into... Fuck you all.
  39. 3 points
    Jay007

    The FA Cup thread

    Red card during the game, City fans causing trouble, Aguero looking like he hit out at a fan (albeit we don't know what the fan has done or said). Not a good night for them to say the least...
  40. 3 points
    Jay007

    VAR - yes or no?

    i'm sure people just like to complain. Before VAR people used to complain about the referee making terrible decisions, and now people are complaining about referees being able to make the right decision. I'm not saying there aren't problems with it. It needs to be tidied up. There needs to be clarity about it's purpose and when it should be used, awareness of when it's being used for those in the ground needs to be improved, and the speed with which decisions are taken needs to as swift as possible. However, in principle I support it and certainly would be disappointed if things weren't progressed. There's no reason why in this day and age games should have to hinge on poor decisions, and considering how hard a referees job is anything to support the officials can only be a good thing.
  41. 3 points
    I think the league standings don't have much meaning here, at least not without context. One more year a team with a lot of new pieces that every year takes a lot of time to start functioning; weren't playing well for a long time, had their previous manager sacked, and have been with the new manager for not too long. They are also a team that is very different in league competition and cup competitions; for example, they have knocked Atletico out of the cup and are in the final. Except for last year, they've been awesome at knockouts in Europe. It is also a team that is very different when they play against a smaller team in the league, or when they play against a big team. They always compete vs every big team in Spain. And the Pizjuán is a very, very complicated place to play in for everyone. Liverpool started 0-3 after a pathetic start by Sevilla, but it ended 3-3. They are going to win us in intensity and desire, there's no doubt about that; just playing at home, in the CL and against a big, big team gives them that edge, it always does. The stadium will be amazing, one of the best atmosphere's you can get anywhere, pitch is usually not too perfect, and they love to make the matches extremely intense in every sense at their place. I would gladly sign for us to get a 1-1 there right now. Specially if Banega and Muriel are back, as they are 85% sure to be. Joaquin Correa is a doubt, and it's a very important player, but a piece they can more easily replace. They have Sarabia who's red hot and who is playing great and given confidence (which he needed) finally by a manager. They have N'Zonzi getting back to his best, and Mudo Vazquez is finding form too lately. They are a bit suspect in the back, Lenglet and Mercado are likely going to play at CB, with Escudero in the left, and probably Navas (or Layun) in the right. Then they have various options and a diverse team from midfield on. I think they'll go for Pizarro and N'Zonzi in the middle, Banega a bit higher up, and then Sarabia, Mudito Vazquez and Muriel. Who could be in that stadium on Wednesday...
  42. 3 points
    O

    West Brom - Pardiola era

    Eh, if they were drunk, which hasn’t been mentioned, that is one of the most serious and selfish acts a person can commit. Not to mention the taxi driver’s potential loss of earnings and the ordeal he went through in tracking down his vehicle. Most people like to return to where they parked their vehicle and find that it’s still there. They’re bottom of the table and were treated to a few days in the sun. A bit of professionalism wouldn’t go amiss. Or some human decency.
  43. 3 points
    'We all hate Leeds scum' ringing out. Must be both sets of fan.
  44. 3 points
    The referees have got what they wamted, an opportunity to avoid making proper decisions. Another fucking shambles in English football.
  45. 3 points
    O

    FAC - 5th Round - Huddersfield vs Man Utd

    No mention of Mata. Classic.
  46. 3 points
    gav81

    FAC - 5th Round - Huddersfield vs Man Utd

    What are you on about we're winning? You nearly gave me a bleedin' heart attack making me think we kicked off at 15:00! 😆
  47. 3 points
    lucretius

    Paul Pogba 2017/18

    There's not a straightforward answer to that. First, I don't like overhyped stuff, especially when someone hypes themselves. That might actually be me being curmudgeonly, but I don't think self-promotion and lacklustre performances go well together. I find it a bit cringeworthy watching the Liverpool game last year, for instance, when the talk was about the Pogba emoji, and he put in a proper 0/10 performance. Same as I found Ibrahimovic's 'lions don't recover like humans' stuff absolutely unbearable. It's like The Office, but with your football team. Surely you can see that when someone hypes themselves, they leave themselves open to criticism if they don't live up to that hype? It's a pretty natural reaction, the same as it's natural to question his transfer fee and wages. Second, if someone is going to be flashy, they need to deliver. Cantona with his upturned collar. Ronaldo doing that same celebration. These are people who drag their teams to success and who have earned a little of flash. Pogba has delivered nothing so far, except making Mino Raiola filthy rich. It's not like he's getting his head down and working hard. He's either all flash or absolutely nothing, and it's really hard to have sympathy for that type of person. Third, I think you mischaracterise it by saying the argument is 'when he makes a mistake on the pitch it's because he's thinking about his next haircut'. Plenty of criticism has to go to Mourinho for playing him out of position, but there's no escaping how utterly appalling he was against Bristol City, Leicester, Southampton (both games strolling around with the armband on), or Burnley (twice), or Spurs, or Newcastle. He wouldn't be the first footballer to think that he's made it, and let celebrity distract from his game. That really leads on to my next point. He's obviously very talented; he's not a Djemba-Djemba. But talent means absolutely nothing if you don't use it to produce the goods. We've had plenty of players who were outrageously talented but didn't make the most of it. Best could have been the best player in the history of the game, but any discussion of him is tempered by his wasted potential. Sharpe was a ridiculously talented winger who let hype go to his head and then spent a decade trying to trade on his celebrity status. Given the professionalism of players these days, it would be absolutely criminal if he was allowed to squander his potential. Players with more talent than Pogba have done - Recoba, Cassano, perhaps even Ronaldinho.
  48. 3 points
    lucretius

    Do you trust Mourinho?

    But I think that improvement only makes sense in context. I've mentioned other teams because once you look at them it becomes a lot more difficult to narrow down what me mean when we talk about improvement. My point in my earlier post was that I'm not impressed by the improvement. I think there are a significant number of managers who could be doing at least as well, especially given the amount of money he's had to spend, without the drawbacks that Mourinho brings. If we finish third or fourth, and trophyless, which is looking fairly likely, do you think that's much better? Do you think he has a plan? Do you think what he's doing is working? We spent over £75m on Lukaku, was that a good use of resources? We spent £90m on Pogba, to play him in a double pivot. Is that part of the plan? £40m on Matic, to play him every game? £30m fo Lindelof to sit on the bench? We're not Arsenal, and we didn't bring in Mourinho and give him over £300m to spend to get sucked into a dogfight for the top four. City are being used as an excuse but there's no escaping that teams immediately below us have spent considerably less and either could overtake us when we play them. Also, Sanchez cost us Mkhitaryan, whose book value, at least, is 70% of his original fee, so about £22m, plus whatever his signing on fee was, plus whatever he's getting in wages. I found it really hard to understand why people were literally making up things about Mourinho when he signed. Nonsense like how he had chased Pep ('the bald fraud, the myth') Guardiola out of Spain and was going to do it here, the majority of people made us favourites to win the league (I have a feeling that you didn't, from talking about this with peterswellman before), people insisted he was going to build a legacy here, play attacking football, all kinds of crazy shit. It was obviously deluded, and now I don't have to read it any more. How often do you have to hear someone repeating obvious nonsense before you're glad when it gets shown up as nonsense and you don't have to hear it any more? How many times does he need to get shown up by Pep before people stop pretending that he's better? How many times do we have to hear about his tactical genius while he sticks Pogba in a midfield two? How many times do people have to insist he's not negative while we play for a draw every time against a big team? Or that he's not defensive? It's like reading someone recommending taking antibiotics for a cold. It's just wrong, and since I don't have anything else to enjoy this season, especially not our football or Mourinho's conduct, then I'm going to take a sliver of satisfaction in having to read less of that. I'm not waiting for failure, I'm waiting for the success I was promised, but it's looking less and less likely. We're coasting on our start to the season. In our first 7 games, we played 6 teams that have now sacked their manager, and Southampton, who are in danger of going down. As soon as we had to play a decent team, in Liverpool, Mourinho shit the bed, we looked terrible scraping a goalless draw, then we lost to Huddersfield in the next match, and Chelsea two games later. Since the Chelsea game, we've actually picked up one fewer point than Chelsea, and everyone is talking about Conte getting sacked. If that had been our form all season, we'd be in 6th. We've already lost as many times as last season, with Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Everton, and Arsenal left to play. We will almost certainly lose more games this season. I'm glad you're positive about this season, at least someone is able to enjoy it.
  49. 3 points
    O

    Champions League 2017/18

    Four goal fests. We’ll stink up the place next week, don’t you worry.
  50. 3 points
    SimplyGiggs

    Do you trust Mourinho?

    The league is gone and realistically there's no chance of the CL. So any debate over improvement is rendered moot. Looking to the future, do we have a chance of A. winning major honours and B. playing well while doing it? The answer is a likely no. His approach to big games leaves us little chance of winning and therefore leaves us chasing ground against other teams. At any transfer window we could lose our best player, and recruitment in key positions leaves one of the most expensive defenders ever on the bench (and is probably shite anyway), our record signing going missing or worse, playing horribly, against any half decent side and a striker who the term flat track bully was invented for. We won't win anything of note while these players take up key roles in the squad.