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Ole not signing Llorente in January so he could knock out Liverpool in the champions league, is there any limits to this mans genius That was fucking immense a bottle job of the highest order, so so sweet. A disgrace they're compared to our treble side, or 08-09 side for that matter

Raiola was hinting at this months ago. Quite obvious he realises the market isn’t there for his blockbuster move. Ed will take the bait and give him £500,000 a week as he comes straight back into the XI to disrupt all of the progress. Bruno will be marginalized as we have to allow for Pogba’s massive ego, his reckless play and his shocking inconsistency. Sell for anything. Take a hit if possible. He’s a cancerous influence and we have better in his best position. Midfield has become the strength in his absence that it never was while he was playing. The theory that we’ll only get better with him and Bruno together is idealistic at best. This isn’t FIFA. The priority should be getting quality players who will also put in the work and perform consistently.

I must have watched the match highlights about 10 times already. Top Red. What a performance that was. We could have easily come away with a 3-0 or 4-0 win had some of James's decision making been better and/or if VAR were any good. That being said, the tenacity and character shown by the lads is a far cry from some of the dross we've seen in the past. AWB and Shaw were magnificent, Fred and Matic fantastic, and Maguire cleared everything once again. It looks like the team is finally stringing together an identity and it's showing in the performances. Bruno has really elevated us going forward -- amazing how quickly things can turn around when the main creative position is refreshed with significant talent. I've also been pleasantly impressed with Ighalo, who provided exactly the sort of front man display we needed at the time in the game when he came on. Onwards and upwards. Spurs away next week will be a big test, but if we can rest some players ahead of the Europa League game vs LASK, I'm optimistic we can come away with a win.

Each and every player you mentioned performed at levels we could only dream of Pogba producing. Rooney all time record goalscorer, who sacrificed himself countless times for the team in a variety of positions. Ruud, 150 goals in 200 plus games. Four league seasons of 20 plus goals and the only one he didn’t he was injured. Ronaldo - I won’t even comprehend comparing what both have achieved at this club. Hilarious point. Pogba’s overall performances aren’t within a country mile of any of the above. Bruno has already looked a more effective player but it’s far too early to make those judgments. Really don’t understand why you’re putting “bad behaviour” in quotation marks either. Many here have slated Rooney over his behaviour and by many, I mean he was harangued as much, if not more, than Pogba. Ruud is hardly idolised. Ronaldo was following a boyhood dream and even the great man understood letting him go was the right thing to do. Why do you think clubs aren’t queuing up for this superstar? Strange. Pogba’s track record of misdeamours are there for all to see, are you attempting to suggest he’s behaved well? If you are, it’s pure delusion. It’s not worth the hassle. We’re either going to be stuck with him or selling him for a loss. The cult of Pogba is very strange.

For me Ter Stegen and then Oblak. By some distance too. Klopp said "I don't get why Atletico play like this with the footballers they have". Maybe to beat you home and away? Ahahahahaha. Shut the fuck up and cry.

took these shamelessly from RC: https://streamable.com/e1sbr

He also gets an awful lot of leeway amongst the fanbase who tend to overlook his many shortcomings. There's two sides of the coin: the Souness-related hyperbole, and the idea that he's so outrageously good, that it's beneath him to play with this squad. The reality is really that he's vastly overrated, vastly overpaid, has a scumbag agent who'll drag the club through the mud and doesn't have the application or attitude to turn his good talent into a world class one.

And an example of what is a fighting spirit and believing in yourself even when being played off the park against the CL winners last year and the best team in Europe this year as well. Still continue fighting, running, scrambling, and this way there can be something going your way. Liverpool with the 2-1 did completely the opposite. It's not easy to have that mental strength to stay there and take hit after hit after hit and continue running and trying.

Incredible stats. 14 shots on target. 15 shots off target. 16 corners. 66% possession. Somehow win 3-2. Mourinho would be proud.

MORATA TROLLING THEM VAMOS ATLETICO VAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS VAMOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU'LL NEEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEEEER WAAAAAAAAALK HOMEEEEEEEEEEE ALOOOONEEEEE. FUCK OFF HOME

Saved Mourinho's job with his performances in The League Cup (2 games, 3 assists) and The Europa League (6 goals, including the final). Like Fred, he was treated terribly by Mourinho.

Fred > all

JSMHEProductions seems to be making vids for our players during the break, so if anyone gets overly bored here's what he's done so far: IDK if it will be better to have them together or in individual threads. Probably the latter now I think of it...

I rewatched LOTR, extended edition this week. Still my favourite trilogy of all time. They were made 20 years ago yet still look as though they were made today. The music is something else, too. I hope whoever did the music is also working with the Amazon team for the new series.

No player has ever had as many clowns bending over backwards to defend poor behaviour. The guy has to go, even at a loss, he has to dab his way out the fucking door.

Cop out to what? Short of him literally calling you up personally singing Hala Madrid and calling the Class of 92 cunts, there's nothing more that can be done to convince you he wants out of the club. You can grip onto his choice of verbs, or you can see clearly that he couldn't give a fuck about this club, had his agent and family doing his bidding in the media, and as linked above, isn't shy about saying himself how he wants out. Time to wake up and accept the Pogba era has been a disaster. If the latest reports are to be believed (and I personally don't) then there is no hope for the stupidity for those who think he's had a Bruno-related epiphany and wants to build a dynasty with him here. It would be for the singular reason that Raiola has noticed interest in him has cooled drastically and sees this pathetic board as the golden opportunity to rinse more money from. Any extra penny that this guy puts in his and his dirty agent's pocket is a disgrace to the history of the club.

Hudson Odoi has it now too, so that will be Chelsea players and staff in isolation for 2 weeks now too. I'll be shocked if the league isn't suspended tomorrow if not called off altogether. It's honestly mad how many people are still down playing this as "just a bad flu" or it "only" effects the elderly i've also seen people online trying to put it up against suicide and cancer (Everybody knows how awful these things are but you can't spread them on to other people and it shouldn't be made into a contest either such a backwards way of thinking and dangerous) as things to be more worried about and just keep washing your hands . Them sort of issues are absolutely terrifying to me because I bet people will be wreckless and think there young and fit and will be grand and won't take proper precautions and they'll end up spreading this shit like crazy, some without even realising they have it and passing it on to other peoples loved ones and even their own and people are going to die needlessly because of these sort of people. The whole knowing so little about it and when/if it will die in the summer time like normal flu and how bad it will get is scary as shit. Stay safe lads it's going to get very very bad, especially in the UK by the looks of things with how Boris is dealing with things.

Fred with a quality ball.

Listening to Chong in an empty stadium Not sure his voice has broke yet,

Klopp has become so pathetic since joining Liverpool. He does the exact same as Pep. Why should AM play to Liverpools strengths? They did exactly what they had to do and credit to them. Klopp needs to grow up. It's mistakes and missed chances that cost them.

Lovely stuff. Hopefully those Spanish savages left the whole ground riddled with Covid-19.

AND MY MAN DOES IT AGAIN LOL WHAT A LEAGUE WHAT A TEAM

He's good in the big games, no doubt about it. It will be interesting to see how he does when the counter doesn't work though. Look at the league cup for eg - City scored first and then we were powerless for the rest of the game because we couldn't adjust. If City scored first yesterday, I suspect we'd look like a championship team for the rest of the game and get opened up repeatedly. In any case we need to assess over the entire season. Top 4 + EL/FA Cup and he's done well. If we buy creative players next season, I wonder if we'll stick to a 'dig in and counter' approach.

How many times has Ole beat City in the league this season?

Finding myself watching more old games or highlights lately. This was a great match between a quality argentina outfit and Englands golden generation. Some great attacking firepower on both sides playing at the top of their game. Post your own memorable games here.

I don't like comparing players from different era anymore due to the different circumstance for the players in a given era. Take Giggs for example. He had a great career. As good as you could hope for. But his goals tally of just 181 goals from 1000+ senior games makes him look poor in comparison with the wide players of today. But that's the thing, football was different. Especially in England. You mainly had two strikers, and a winger's job was to supply them with good crosses. Which Giggs did for most of his career. Now the modern wide players is basically a wide forward who looks to cut inside and make diagonal runs to support a lone striker. You could never compare Giggs with Bale and be able to judge them fairly. The pitches in England were terrible even in the early 00's. Old Trafford used to cut up really bad. Being able to provide a top quality pitch all year round has probably been the main factor behind a bigger emphasis on short passing instead of more direct play. You could't play intricate short passing on some of the surfaces back in the day.Too bobbly. And I think we really need to credit modern defenders for being able to play in teams that are required to play out from the back and hold a high defensive line in a game that favours the attacker with the modern take on offside. And your keeper can't pick up your back passes. The sport has changed so much and is constantly evolving. Some of Michael Jordan's haters think LeBron is better when they look back on the standard of some of the NBA games in the 80's and 90's. The athleicism has gone up a gear. And modern golfers drive the ball miles more than the golfers of yesterday. That's down the equipment, and most likely PEDS as well. I think most sports are ramp with them, which is why the physical increase in athletes has risen.

Teams like treble united and real madrid in their pomp ie the team who played us off the park in 2003 would still give teams a run for thei money. Of course the game evolves, tactics evolve and conditioning improves...maybe not at United of late but that's another story. On the other hand there was a different breed of player back then. There were some incredibly creative players and sides, england produced great rampaging midfielders like robson and gerrard, then you had mercurial playmakers like gazza and hoddle. The contrast of styles in that england argentina game is interesting. The old English style at its best could be devastatingly effective but now even england are adopting more continental approaches with more emphasis on positioning and possession than high temp and lung busting runs. Its unlikely we'll see english players of that mould again

Yeah I watched Wales v Germany from 1991 on bbc the other day and the standard was fucking abysmal, the latter were world champs

Snooker is now popular again worldwide and growing at a very fast rate. It has the highest ratings on ITV4 of any program I believe, even more so than darts (but idk which darts tournament is on itv). It died a death in the mid 2000s once it lost it's cigarette sponsorships but Barry Hearn took over in ~2010 and now it's a global sport. It has tournaments on almost every week - Masters/UK/WC on the BBC still, ITV4 have 5 tournaments and Eurosport carries about 12. It's gone very global though. In China it is absolutely huge. Doherty is still around, albeit barely. The old generation of O'Sullivan, Higgins, Williams are all still massive names, albeit having bad seasons atm. I believe the prize money for darts and snooker is about the same atm.

It has waned in popularity over the years probably because, apart from the World Championship/Masters (BBC), it's not shown on major channels for instance ITV4 and Eurosport now show a lot of the snooker tournaments whereas before it was prime TV hence having a larger following. SKY haven't been interested in snooker for awhile so would be interesting if they Sky'd it up in their own inimitable way. The fans though still go in numbers to the live matches so in that respect it's still got a following. There is a great one match shoot out tournament which is basically a timed shot frame. It's not silent and the crowd can shout out at any stage of the frame it's good fun a huge change from the silence at usual snooker tournaments. Barry Hearn is the main guy in snooker at the moment and he's trying to "jazz" it up to bring it back to the mainstream.

Getting balls deep back into video games now given what's happening. I never finishedThe Witcher 3 back in 2015. Got about halfway through and then Season 5 of Game of Thrones put me off the whole genre and never got back to. Holy fuck what a game it is. Will probably replay TLOU before the sequel. 2020 looks an amazing year. Ghost Of Tsushima and Cyberpunk 2077 look incredible.

With the postponement and shifting of Euro 2020 to June 2021, it ha given some of Europe's best youngsters an extra year to stake a claim for a place in the official squads. England: Aaron Ramsdale - GK - 21 years old - Bournemouth He has become their #1 GK this season, so like Dean Henderson, he will be looking to challenge Jordan Pickford and Nick Pope for a place in the squad. Bukayo Saka - LW/LB - 18 years old - Arsenal Having been converted to a LB this season, he has registered 9 assists for Arsenal this season. He will be looking to push Luke Shaw to become Ben Chilwell's backup. Reece James - RB/RWB - 20 years old - Chelsea He has made himself a starting XI regular under Frank Lampard. Unfortunately for him, he has TAA and AWB to contend with. But he is like a hybrid of both players. Phil Foden - AM/RW - 19 years old - Man City He's found regular starts hard to find under Pep Guardiola, but has still managed to scored 3 goals & provide 7 assists this season. David Silva's successor. Callum Hudson-Odoi - RW/LW - 19 years old - Chelsea He already has 2 England caps, but it's been a season of niggling injures and illness fro CHO. He is as talented as any England wide forward. Mason Greenwood - ST/RF - 18 years old - Man Utd 12 goals already during his first full season as a professional. He could be looking at an understudy role like Ronaldo de Lima at the 1994 World Cup. Netherlands: Owen Wijndal - LB/LWB - 20 years old - AZ Alkmaar A part of the current talented AZ squad who are pushing Ajax all the way. 8 assists so far this season. He might be the regular Dutch LB by 2021. Teun Koopmeiners - DM/CB - 22 years old - AZ Alkmaar The captain of AZ already, and just turned 22. He is an expert penalty taker. 16 goals & 3 assists this season. Ryan Gravenberch - CM/DM - 17 years old - Ajax Described by some as a Paul Pogba regen. He's already a regular part of the Ajax 1st team squad. 9 goals & 5 assists between Ajax and Jong Ajax this season. Mohamed Ihattaren - AM/RW - 18 years old - PSV Eindhoven A part of the same talented Dutch 2002 group as Ryan Gravenberch. He's already a key player for PSV. 7 goals & 9 assists this season. Justin Kluivert - LW/RW - 20 years old - AS Roma He already made his debut in 2018, but has just 2 caps in total. Finding his feet at Roma this season. 7 goals & 2 assists up to now. Myron Boadu - ST - 19 years old - AZ Alkmaar He would likely have been leading the line this summer due to Memphis Depay & Donyell Malen's injuries. 20 goals & 13 assists for AZ this season. France: Alban Lafont - GK - 21 years old - FC Nantes 150+ senior career appearances as a GK at just 21. With Hugo Lloris's injuries and loss of form & Steve Mandanda pushing 35, he might be in with a chance. Dayot Upamecano - CB - 21 years old - RB Leipzig Strongly linked with a move to Bayern due to his performances for RB this season, he could replace crocked Samuel Umtitti as Rapahel Varane's new long term CB partner. Eduardo Camavinga - DM/CM - 17 years old - Rennes FC Haven't seen a midfield freak like him since Clarence Seedorf. He's been bossing Ligue 1 games at just 17! Most tackles made in the league this season. Houssem Aouar - CM/AM/LM - 21 years old - Olympique Lyon Lyon's star man and potentially the most gifted French midfielder since Paul Pogba. 9 goals & 7 assists from the maestro. Christopher Nkunku - AM/LM - 22 years old - RB Leipzig Tired of being a squad player at PSG, he moved to Germany and has never looked back. 4 goals & 15 assists already this season. Odsonne Édouard - ST - 22 years old - Celtic FC 11 goals from 6 games for France U21. 27 goals & 19 assists for The Celts this season. Ideal replacement for Olivier Giroud who will be almost 35 by the end of Euro 2021. Spain: Marc Cucurella - 21 years old - LM/LB - Getafe CF Captain of Spain U21. Barcelona sold him to Getafe with a rumoured buy back option. Jordi Alba is getting older, so he is in with a chance at LB. Óscar Rodríguez - 21 years old - AM - CD Leganés (on loan from Real Madrid) Enjoying his 2nd season loan at Leganés, he has scored 7 goals & provided 2 assists in a struggling side. Might move to a mid-table club next season. Ferran Torres - 20 years old - RM/LM - Valencia CF Already a key player at Valencia, and a local lad too. 6 goals & 7 assists this season so far this season. Dani Olmo - 21 years old - AM/LW/RW - RB Leipzig Spain's key man at the last U21 Euro's, and he scored on his Spain debut last time out. He moved to Germany from Croatia in January. Potential key man by 2021. Ander Barrenetxea - 18 years old - LW - Real Sociedad A part of a very talented Sociedad squad. He made his breakthrough this season. He has impressed in The Copa del Rey (3 goals & 2 assists). Ansu Fati - 17 years old - LW/ST - FC Barcelona Barcelona's latest protégé will be 18 by the time of the tournament next year. He's already breaking records at Barcelona.

FRED.

I have that edition too. It's enjoyable but, pedant that I am, I find myself picking up the inconsistencies with the book.

Not slating the guy or anything, but where is he going to be a 40 games PL striker? It would be a massive gamble to go with him as a first choice striker that’s fighting for survival. Just from those near the bottom. Norwich - Not better than Pukki at present imo. Villa - Probably get in here but would be do better than Wesley given how shite they are? Bournemouth - Better than Wilson or King? Watford - I’m battling relegation, I’m going with Deeney. West Ham - May get in ahead of Haller or Antonio but they need a robust frontman given how they play. Maybe gets the spot at Brighton and Newcastle but it’s a hell of a gamble. I’d say it would be championship to be sure that the relegation teams don’t turn to a battering ram centre forward when things get tough.

Liverpool not getting the league won is more entertainment than any sport could ever offer.

Self-isolation in mansions. It’s no life.

Pogba's fault, duh.

Oh, there's no doubt about it. Simeone is a disgrace. His teams play utter shite football. But it's glorious when it's not against your team. Absolute weapon of a man.

THE SCOUSE FUCKS OUT OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!! Now that's wonderful news!!

Laugh at loud at some of the shite on here boys!! LMFAO!! Giddy Bastards! https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=344976.680

Just watching the highlights again. Oblak is probably the best No.1 GK in the world. We can't let someone like Chelsea sign him if they do push Kepa out.

Leipzig, Atalanta, PSG, Atletico. Hopefully Lyon, probably City... Interesting indeed.

Suspend the season now. Think of the children. Be hilarious if they never officially win it mathematically.

This lad gets the club has his feet firmly planted and isn't getting carried away. He speaks well and this club doesn't faze him. He has the potential to be a leader. I believe he will develop into a very, very good footballer and potentially United Captain material even at this stage he is much more eloquent than Maguire.

Oh for fucks sake Marilyn. Theyre pants man!! No need for first teamers in this one, or at least very few. These were the whipping boys of the draw by a country mile. This should see us clear 8 or 10 goals over the two legs.

It's the same thing though, it's just other teams don't rate us enough to bother counteracting it. Sit in, counter attack with pace and hope to sneak a goal. We had like 28 per cent possession at home and were gifted two goals.

He's become my favourite current United player..love the guy!

I think it's important we don't *over*-play him and burn him out, that was probably the issue before