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Ole has come out and said that we are further behind than he had hoped. And that this season's performances will determine next season's squad. While the squad is not perfect, he should know who's in his plans by now. He should have known that certain players were injury prone or simply not committed enough before even taking the job. I'm talking about Jones, Rojo, Matić, etc. You could argue that he's using this season to see how far along the youngsters are in their development (Greenwood, Williams, Garner, Chong, Gomes, Laird). But he's not used them a whole lot overall. Senior players often take precedence over most of them. Maybe he doesn't want to put too much pressure on Greenwood at such a young age, but he's simply outperforming Lingard and Mata. So it's hard to let that one slip. Don't start him every week, but more starts would be nice. If this really is a long term rebuild, as it's being branded by Ole and Woodward. Then maybe we will see a big clearout this summer. But some of the youngsters aren't ready for 30-40 games a season next season. They might need a loan. Garner, for me, needs more minutes at Championship level. A good loan move is needed. So that means we need to be signing at least 4 players if we're letting 4-5 players leave next summer. Most likely Jones, Rojo, Matić and Young. Possibly Pogba too if he can't be convinced to stay. There are too many variables. Ole succeeding would depend on him convincing Pogba to stay and play like he did against Watford most games. With De Gea returning to David James form, that's another big call to make. I have no doubt that he'll stick with him. With Romero, Henderson and Kovar (could be our 1st choice after a year or two on loan), we're in a position to let him go. But he's probably happy to sit on that big contract he signed a few months ago. Another Woodward disasterclass in the making. We'll have to see. Then the signings. People have said that the 3 signings that Ole made have been flawless purchases. They've been good additions overall. But Maguire and Lindelöf can't play in a high line system due to a lack of recovery pace. So we need to cash in on Lindelöf and partner Maguire with Tuanzebe (or a new athletic CB signing). It was a signing that doesn't suit a pressing style. James has been very good value for money. But he's reliant on us playing on the counter. And his best position is Rashford's best position. Even still, a very good rotation player and useful for certain games. AWB. Can't cross very well and is better suited to recovery tackles. Unless we buy a RW with a high volume of goals + assists like Salah, he can't offer enough over 38 games. The other option is to sell Shaw and buy a very attack minded LB. That way, AWB can shift over into a back three when the LB is on the attack. Barcelona and United did this with Abidal and Alves, and Evra and Brown. AWB's recovery pace is very useful to stop us from being countered. But I still think Laird might dislodge him one day if he gets a run in the 1st team. I'm 90% sure that Ole doesn't have the leadership qualities or coaching ability to realise his vision. It's not a bad one. But we can't be losing 2-0 to a side with 9 points heading into the game. That is a coaching issue.

It's a fucking shit situation honestly... Ole is the first manager since Fergie who I feel we should all be behind, thinking yes - he gets it, at least in terms of the characters we want to see, the attitude we want to see - his buys, for all you can talk about how we've been financially fleeced on Maguire, are solid enough, but also underline the issue... It's all well and good seeing us crush teams on the break against the big sides, our destruction of city in that first half an hour should have been 3/4 if not 5 easily and it was glorious, it was a glorious vindication of Ole's belief in the players But the fact we bought AWB for £50m while having the worst pair of LBs in the league (not counting the emerging Brandon) means we are hamstrung offensively from full back, and the rumours that Max Aarons were our backup choice at RB - a guy who is basically a right sided Marcelo, suggest there was no grand plan / blueprint for our best starting XI even as late as this summer. Now don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted to add the 3 we added and Ole clearly wanted more, and had he gotten the creative mid he was after who knows where we'd be, but that may have just papered over the cracks. What I mean is - that AWB signing is a summary of all that's wrong with us. People think the Maguire deal is a problem but if you want a bigger look at our problems it's (my favourite - I have his shirt, fucking love him, not hating on him) AWB In what world can we scout the shedloads they claim, spunk 50m on the most obvious candidate, then have it revealed the 2nd choice was a totally different type of full back? perhaps this is more damning of Woodward / the board in some ways, but IMO it's an indictment of Ole - he supposedly has final say on deals but we have 2 completely opposite RBs as our top 2 choices? How does that work?. IDK if we can tempt him upstairs, since he clearly gets what it means to be a united player and manager and knows what we need character wise but tactically as Jonathan Wilson pointed out quite damningly, Arteta seemingly had stamped more identity on Arsenal in 3 games than Ole has in a year. It's weird, I don't really disagree with anything Ole says or almost anything, I love him, want him to succeed, feel for him in many ways, squad isn't good enough, and with time I do think he'd get us on the right lines, but equally I don't think he's ever going to get us where we need to be. The match going fans love him, and when I'm there, I'm consumed by it all, I get right behind him and think "fuck the lot of you, we're with him" - then you see another crushing away performance All of this while Liverpool are putting together one of the best league seasons of all time (not even just PL time) Not sure we're ever gonna be where we want to be under the Glazers and certainly not under Woodward, he's like a god awful GM for American Sports fans who will ruin nigh on anyone under him, but equally Poch is sitting there, and for all his flaws and people can question his inability to win titles but he clearly is tactically superior and is better at improving those he inherits than Ole who sadly looks more and more out of his depth with every away game - and you can't help but think 'Why aren't we jumping on this?' Human nature is fickle, a month ago I wanted Ole out, after the brighton game I thought we'd turned the corner and he was gonna do it - now we're seemingly back to square one... Young players breed inconsistency and god i want him to succeed, but every time we have a chance to close the gap to the top 4 to something easily achievable we blow it... that's not good enough and I don't think I can just blame the squad anymore, much as I want to As I said... a really shit situation, apologies for rambling on - I wonder if any of you also feel stuck between this rock and this hard place...

Brilliant again. MOTM by a country mile for me.

I don’t love the guy. I don’t think he’s our saviour and I certainly think we should sell and use the money for a couple of players. But how can today’s result be on Pogba? The agenda against him is just boring now. When he has a bad game and plays like a child spitting his dummies out then yes, slag him off until you go blue. But to still face flack when he’s thrown on to the pitch in let’s face it, a situation no one would want to come on, 2-0 down to bottom of the table getting booed by his own fans who think he was faking injury and was on holiday and is waiting for Jan to leave but nevertheless puts in a really good shift, creates 2 good chances from 2 top drawer long passes and creates a chance for himself and does by far more than any other Utd player on the pitch creativity wise, which don’t forget we have all been craving for... it’s just beyond me. He was booed by Utd fans when he came on and was then booed by Utd fans after the game when he went over to applaud them. Disgraceful!

Absolutely. His improvement is startling. Confidence looks thorough the roof at the minute too. Looks to be decent value for £50 million if he can keep this level up. Genuinely, him, McTominay and a top quality no. 10 would work perfectly in my eyes long-term if we got a decent fee for Pogba.

I don't know what that is.. I actually set it up by myself this morning..then ran around the neighbourhood celebrating like a giddy goalscorer! Am watching Spurs vs Brighton, all pleased with mesen!

Welcome back, sir. Happy Christmas.

i think Williams should be getting the nod over Shaw,top little player.

Pretty much in the same place, It's a shit show and we haven't reached the bottom yet. People were saying the same about Ole after three games...It's easy to get the players on board in the short term like Arteta has, making it last is the tough part in modern football.

You shouldn't need hindsight with him. His flaws were covered up to an extent while playing for Leicester because of the way they played, well organised and defensively solid, but they were still there if you looked closely enough. Slow as a snail and takes longer to turn than a juggernaut, but can't make up for it with good positioning because he doesn't possess that. When exposed 1-1 against an opponent he's all over the place and never in control of the situation, especially against a quick and/or skilful player. Gained a reputation as being a good ball player, but nearly gets caught out fairly regularly. Passes that come off are rarely anything special. He's gained a reputation as being a 'leader' and organiser just because he's good at standing and pointing towards everyone else, yet more often than not he's the one who's completely out of sync with the rest of the defence. Possibly the most damning thing to say is that, despite losing him and not replacing him, Leicester don't miss him in the slightest while we're no better with him than we were before. He was never a top class defender, just vastly overrated because he's English and scored a goal in the World Cup. And because of that he was supposed to be a threat in the box for us, but he's never looked like scoring. Even his big chance away to Newcastle was piss poor. The fact he's the most expensive defender in the world is laughable and embarrassing for us.

The irony is some of the guys defending this guy were the same people absolutely slating Rooney. Pogba has been every bit as bad and in fairness to Rooney, he might have finished up a bit shit but not once did he down tools.

Mourinho can be attributed to some of Pogba’s issues but this season’s stuff and the comments and actions by this guy are purely down to him and only him. Pushing the blame off on others and pretending that Pogba has been treated poorly by United supporters really doesn’t wash with me. Mourinho gave him the captaincy - Pogba’s own actions lost it. It’s hard to believe the sincerity of this issue when as close as yesterday, United’s official website said Pogba was in contention for selection tonight. Now today, he’s had scans done etc (in record time) and he 100% needs an op. This would wash, no problems, without his chequered past but sadly even the most understanding people eventually get sick of being let down. This top scorer or assister too is rubbish considering some of the quality we let go in the past because of poor behaviour this guy should be shown the door and quick. Stam, Keane, Beckham.....this guy has behaved infinity worse. No one should get a pass with this disgraceful carry on. This is a guy who was stripped of captain. Who has had brothers say he wants out. Has had agents say he wants out. Has said himself there are “question marks” surrounding his future. Forgive us all for not exactly buying into the delusional cult behind this fraud. It’s utter delusional and living in la la land to have any faith in this guys character or his willingness to help this club out. Some want to support Pogba FC....others don’t.

He's fortunate the PL media is as it is. The Spanish media would pin him down and make him feel worthless as a coach and the Italians would go really deep into his tactical decisions and humiliate him. As it is, he'll just have questions on Pogba and then talk about how 'the boys will learn from this' etc etc and we'll move on.

Fred is our only decent player. He’s actually fantastic and putting out fires left, right and centre as well as winning possession and getting his head up.

Luke Shaw is the biggest disgrace on the field. Receives the ball, always standing still may I add, starts gesturing for others to move for him and then eventually passes it sideways, backwards or forwards four feet and stands still yet again. A joke of a player. Ashley Young is like Ashley Cole in comparision.

He better be travelling afterwards because at this point you’d have to be a dense idiot if your patience and understanding wasn’t wearing thin. Like a cheating partner telling you she’s heading out for “a night with the girls”.....darling it’s a fucking Tuesday. Stop being a tart and get the fuck out of my house.

Really showing now why City and Pep were after him. With Fernandinho covering their defensive injuries they could really do with Fred in the team. Top class performance that was against Burnley. Looks so much more confident and composed on the ball. Drops the shoulder really well and manoeuvres his body cleverly in tight spaces. I love a midfielder that can do that. He got my motm. You can tell he’s working hard on his game and that’s all you can ask for. And in his last 3 games he’s played well alongside McTominay first, then Pogba and then Matic. Common denominator!

He was outstanding against Burnley. We've seen some very good performances from him previously in the bigger games where his defensive attributes were required, but the Burnley game was by far his best performance for us from a more offensive point of view. Some of his passing was sublime and he really controlled the game, particularly in the first half. I've previously described him as a limited player because he's really struggled at times when it comes to that side of his game, but recent performances show that he does have that in his locker. Hopefully now he's finally found his feet and we see more of it. Certainly if he can combine both sides of his game we'll have a real quality midfielder on our hands.

90% of this is pure fantasy - last sentence was pretty much all you needed.

Biggest issue I see at the moment is the attitude. I don't think it's tactics that makes us better against top sides. Too many in this squad don't understand that they have to work hard against everyone be that Barca or Brentford. As for Ole, I think he's doing a lot right, he definitely knows the United ethos - but part of me still thinks we should be going for someone like Pochettino whilst he's free and move Ole to DOF.

I'm absolutely fucking seething at this result, Watford should be cannon fodder. I've stuck up for Ole thus far, but he has to grow some balls and drop the underperformers, even if it's for youngsters.

What a No2 keeper Romero has been. Outstanding.

He's performing exactly how I and anyone else who wasn't consumed by media bullshit expected him to perform. The doubts weren't legit apparently, yet here we are. Clearly there must be something in the water at Carrington, really spooky stuff.